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Building lifestyle companies versus VC-backable startups: Is it walk before you run?

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Small profitable companies versus VC-backed startups
I recently had an interesting conversation with a friend centered around a key question that’s come up a couple times before:

How transferable are the skills you learn from building a small, profitable company versus doing a VC-backable startup?

This question came up because part of his life plan was that he wanted to do a “real” shoot-the-moon type startup at some point in his career, but before doing that, he wanted to work on a small profitable company so that he could learn more about the process. We had a discussion around the key assumptions around a plan like that, which centered around the question above.

In general, it’s my belief that most of the knowledge isn’t that transferable, and you are better off just trying to do the VC-backable startup from scratch, rather than deferring that experience. In the worst case, if you fail, you still learn a lot about VC-backable startups and what it takes to succeed. Compare this to building a small, profitable company, where even if you succeed or fail, you may not learn what you wanted to learn.

And of course, it’s a perfectly healthy thing to NOT to want to build a VC-backable company, ever. That is a great idea too :-) But for those who want to have that experience but are deferring it, I would encourage you to try sooner, not later.

VC-backable startups have weird constraints
Ultimately, the core of my beliefs stem from the fact that VC-backable startups have to deal with a number of weird constraints:

  • they should grow really fast – people sometimes say ideally hitting $50M in revenue in <5 years
  • they should be defensible – ideally having real technology that isn’t easily duplicated
  • obviously, you want a great, experienced team – ideally experienced operators or cutting edge technologists
  • it’s very centered on SF Bay area and less so on a few other areas (Boston/Seattle/NY/SoCal/Austin)
  • early stage is focused on proving things out to get each new round of funding, not on profitability (which is a nice to have)
  • etc.

Again, most of the above are nice to haves and they are always on some investor checklist somewhere, and are followed loosely/casually in most cases. Similarly, to get in the game, there are significant “community” effects that kick in too – it’s good to have the right angel investors, because they can help connect you with the right VCs. But angel investors are just random people (albeit random successful people), and they sometimes don’t like to give money to strange people from other cities. So they like to invest locally, and only through people they already know.

So the point on all of the above is, VC-backable companies have all sorts of weird constraints on what you have to be able to do.

Understanding these constraints, and working with them, requires a different mindset than if you are just targeting for profitability.

There’s different constraints on Lifestyle companies, aka Small/profitable companies, aka Passive income companies, aka whatever you want to call them
I think most of the constraints above are pretty silly if the only goal is to build a self-sustaining company that can get profitable and kick off passive income. In those cases, you really don’t need all the constraints above, which really take you down a different path.

In those cases, you could really execute your company anywhere – you don’t have to be in the Bay Area. Rapid growth is both unnecessary, and possibly not desired if new users are creating costs! Instead, you might prefer to charge users upfront, so that you can be sure that you can stay cashflow positive. Similarly, it’s fine to just work with your buddies, or family, or whatever you want – there’s less of a need for them to scale the business quickly, nor will their experience level play a role in whether investors fund the company.

What both the two styles of company do share, however, is that you still need to be able to build a product, and build a business for cheap, even if you are going after different goals.

But even with product development, when you are going for a smaller, self-sustaining company, it’s more OK to target niche markets or build high-quality products for slow-growth businesses. You probably don’t want to build for a new market, since that can take a lot of time and capital to get right.

How much do you really learn?
To net this discussion out, my point is that the two styles of companies are different in as many ways as they are similar. Instead of “walk before you run” it’s more like “learn to sail versus learn to bike.” Learning to sail does not increase your chances of success at cycling, and vice versa, as well.

So for all the engineers out there who are thinking about doing small web projects before trying to take over the world – go for the latter :-)

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Written by Andrew Chen

October 27th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

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  • Great article but I would like to make one point. I received a degree in Computer Engineering from UMD two years ago. The degree was great but I came out with no idea about how to build a full product. So I took a job for 1.5 years as a software engineer. I got to work on a nice piece of technology that taught me a lot, but I didn't develop the entire product. Many companies tend to keep you in the dark about aspects of the product that are not necessary to understand for you to produce.

    I think starting a lifestyle business may be the best way for recent college graduates to understand full life cycle of product development and get some business experience. This is what I did and I am learning a ton being a System Admin, "Front-end guy", "Back-end guy", Product Manager, DBA, Marketer, Book keeper, etc. I haven't co-founded a funded start-up, but I would imagine that this experience could be very useful as a co-founder with tech role. In fact, I think most of this knowledge would be transferable.
  • Part of my point here was that it can be difficult to get any substantial funding without proving yourself first. The lifestyle business may not need to be successful but if it is a nice functioning piece of technology, at least the VC's will believe that you can build something.
  • I'm not saying that big company corporate experience is better than a lifestyle company. It might be, or not. But neither teaches you much about a VC-backed startup.

    A lifestyle company in an interesting space might teach you something, because you might end up a VC-backed co in disguise :-)

    Similarly, another good option is a VC-backed startup in any stage. Probably the earlier the better.

    Again, I'm just talking about people who are looking to learn and practice before starting their own VC-backed gig.
  • Andrew: Great article and definitely an important point that comes up within my circle of friends doing/wanting to do startups. I have been part of a hugely funded startup as a cofounder as well as a bootstrapped one that is focused on making money. I made/make more from the latter, which I believe, may be statistically always the winner, not in terms of the amount of money made but the number of times it is made. And yes, this is definitely an important thing to consider for every entrepreneur before starting on something.

    Most of my objections with this article were clarified in James' and your comments. I believe what matters is that you start a company that solves a problem and can generate a profit by selling its product to its customers and continue to do that in a sustainable fashion, VC-backed or not. Greg of RightNow took his company public with the bootstrapped approach and I think James explains the reason why most bootstrapped profitable startups don't go big really well.

    I think if you changed the VC-backed to VC-backable in the article, all of us (fans of your posts) will clearly agree with it. And I DO THINK that its a good thing to try to build something that is VC-backable, but be sure to not always think that that will make you money. Most likely, it won't based on the stats. But it will make you VC-fundable :-) (which I think is another interesting topic!)
  • I find this article rather backwards in ts logic and James Hong sums up the reason why perfectly. It's not examining what companies are successful enough to merit venture funding it's examining what successful
    companes who took venture funding happen to look like.

    The causation and correllation are mixed up. Plenty of VC companies take money, don't have defensible technology and don't grow fast or at all over the first few years.

    As much as I feel Jason Fried's tone does his point of view a disfavour he asks an excellent question when he says WTF do people mean by a "lifestyle company"? Making mllions of dollars a year, having total board control and taking holidays when you want them. That's not a "lifestyle" that's easily denigrated.

    VC is far more often about ego and validation than it is genuine need or opportunity. Who wouldn't want the stamp of approval from Sequoia or Ron Conway. It's institutional recognition which is something that through exams, school and jobs we are taught correlates with success and recgnition. We're trained to crave it.

    The interesting question is not what startups who take VC and succeed look like it's what type of startup can actually leverage that capital. In a capital efficient industry like software, what type of startup really does need that much cash?

    A VC scale "big win" is a pure ego play for an entrepreneur. Utility is an integral over time so not only does increasing amounts of cash have diminishing returns but 5-10 years is a long time to wait for it whilst the "lifestyle entrepreneur" is living in a great house with another place in Tahoe and with his kids in good schools.
  • I wrote some more notes in my reply to James Hong in the above comments, but my point is that there is a rather defined "pipeline" of what it means to start a venture backed company in Silicon Valley. First off, you kinda have to be here in the bay area. Then you have to get connected to the right angels, develop the right story (and tech and company), and then learn how to deal with VCs. Then you need to be introduced to enough VCs, have the right pitch, and get the right coaching (and raw results) to get it done. It's really hard, and kind of an obscure set of skills.

    There's lots of steps, and it's not clear to me that any amount of "practice" in adjacent models really substitutes for just doing it.

    And I'm not trying to make a judgement for why one way is better than the other - they are just different models, but the VC-backable model happens to be obscure enough for the entrepreneurs that would like to be doing it, they should just go for it and not set their sights on something lower in the near-term, for "practice."

    For people who just want to start great businesses, that's awesome. But for the ones who want to have weird constraints on their business like promising crazy returns in a high growth, competitive industry to their investors, they will want to start practicing that asap :-)
  • Andrew I can see where you're going with it but I believe it has too much focus on things that correlate with VC-backed companies rather than things which lead to VC-level success. For lots of entrepreneurs, following those correlations (move to SF, raise big, talk big, focus on funding not revenue) can lead people into very dangerous territory.

    I was just reading Steve Blank's latest article (http://steveblank.com/2009/11/02/lean-startups-...) and realised the distinction that important distinction that I don't feel you illustrated is the point at which you start the VC process proper.

    Steve makes the observation that you don't pump the cash in until you show that you have a scalable model. This was the same approach that you actually described to me that you took - you didn't raise until you could prove your customer acquisition model.

    The huge danger when you're "thinking big" is throw away "lower near-term goals" altogether and say that you're going for a long-term moon-shot rather than systematically proving (or more likely disproving) the different parts of your moonshot hypothesis. Too many entrepreneurs will say "it's not worth achieving low-earth orbit because we want to get to the moon" and as a result they never get off the launch pad.

    Your point about the two being fundamentally different can be completely true but for the less rigorous it's also an excuse for just working on what they want to work on (code, money) rather than what they need to work on (customer validation) (Songbird?).
  • From my point of view, you really need to make a name for your self before going into the vc environment.
  • Z
    work for someone else's VC-backed startup or in a bigger company as a product manager - to learn and build street cred.
  • I want to see Jason Calacanis battle this one out with Jason Fried.

    It would be cools to see a home grown start-up come out of a entrepreneur who ejected after rocket fuel set his previous start-up ablaze. i have seen a case or two of VC's just not able to deal with slow or negative growth in hopes of a mediocre outcome after a long while.

    What really interests me is how entrepreneurs who get a big payday, go back to the nipple and get their new company in bed with a VC. Shouldn't your exit go back to risking a certain percentage towards staying independent? theirs stress on both sides of the cash v. control equation.

    in any case. this is a topic you could write a whole book on.

    kthxbai
  • crapper. that comment is littered with punctuation errors.
  • niallsmart
    Great article – but surely there must be degrees of overlap at certain points in the startup lifecycle. For example, an opportunity to raise VC seems to occur when product/market has been demonstrated and the opportunity has therefore been de-risked by proving it in the small (i.e., by getting to a point that clearly shows how additional capital will act as a gigantic lever on an optimized but low key product/process). If you're pursuing that model, then the lean startup / bootstrap model seems a useful technique to get you to that point.

    It's also interesting to consider the product constraints that apply to a bootstrappable company – there's some useful vectors articulated by Evan Williams here: http://evhead.com/2007/12/how-to-evaluate-new-p... (I don't think all of these need apply to a 'bootstrappable' idea simultaneously)
  • Yes, and I think there are ways to start a company that MIGHT turn into a VC-backable company and have that optionality all the way. That's definitely nice. But I think that makes things extra hard, because not only do you need all the weird VC constraints, but you also need the constraint of getting profitable earlier rather than later. It's just hard (but not impossible).
  • <ramble>

    Hey Andrew,

    I agree with the vast majority of your posts, but on this one, I have to disagree... or rather, I have to make the points that:

    1) this is really a question of risk profile, and is a personal decision. I don't believe it's possible to give advice on this topic in a one size fits all regard. Actually, I think you make this point, but i think it is worth pointing out again because you mention this caveat at the top of the essay, but give the advice at the end. I think what you are saying is don't delay doing something venture-backed IF YOU REALLY WANT TO SOMEDAY DO SOMETHING VENTURE-BACKED. This leads to the question of why people presume they want to do something venture backed.

    2) in the same way that you believe many skills are not transferable from lifestyle company to venture company, I think that runs in reverse too.

    3) In reality, my experiences running a lifestyle company have taught me that the biggest constraint from a lifestyle company ever getting "big" is the founders themselves getting too comfortable with the cashflow and not taking larger risk. There are, however, many examples of technology companies that were bootstrapped and grew into massively successful venture-sized businesses. To name a few, both SAS and Candle are/were S-corporations! The challenge for someone who has built a lifestyle business turning into a "big play" is primarily their willingness to reinvest the cashflow rather than pocket it. If someone goes into things with the discipline and resolve to reinvest all profits of their business, I don't see why their small, profitable company has to remain small.

    The big reason why many would be advised to go for the lifestyle business rather than venture funded is because it is lower on the risk/reward curve than something venture-funded, and that is in fact where most first entrepreneurs lie on the risk reward curve. (Most people would rather take a guaranteed 5MM than a 10% chance of getting 100MM). There are countless people who took funding but regretted it later, saying "man, i ended up with nothing, but if i had never raised, i would have made $X".. where of course $X is smaller than what they ended up shooting for, but they got it.

    It's nice to shoot for the moon if that is what you want to do. I just think not enough people consider that reaching orbit might be good enough to satisfy what they want. (And in reality it is a better situation for the VC's when the entrepreneur is aligned with them.. and often a headache for them when the entrepreneur SAYS s/he wants to shoot for the moon, but in fact wants to exit earlier)

    </ramble>
  • Yep - I agree with all of your points and don't think they contradict any of mine. The bulk of my post is targeted at people who would rather be shooting the moon, but set their sites lower for training wheel purposes :-)

    Another nuance that didn't come through in the article is the idea of VC-backed versus VC-backable. I think whether or not you take venture money, putting yourself in high-growth, competitive markets is a recipe that's different than doing something targeted at profitability as early as possible. And you learn different lessons, and yes, the skills may not be transferable either way.

    The worst case scenario, as you mention, is a person who takes VC money and then regrets it. There is a lot to regret in that situation :-)
  • oops.. i'm not sure why the disqus thing has me down as facebook-xxxx instead of using my name... This is James Hong

    BTW, i hit post without finishing my thought in the last paragraph. The point is once the lifestyle entrepreneur has reached orbit, s/he can choose to go to the moon from there. In many ways, once you've already broken through the atmosphere, going from there can be a lot easier.
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