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Building the initial team for seed stage startups

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Seed funding and building out the initial team
One of the most exciting events for a startup is landing seed funding, which transforms a “2 dudes in a living room idea” into something with much more potential. I wanted to summarize a couple things that are relevant for this stage, learned from personal experiences and conversations with other entrepreneurs. This blog is targeted at startups who have raised their first $500k-1M of funding, which often leads to hiring 4-6 people – this first batch of folks is critical, of course.

Here’s a quick outline of some of the things I’ve encountered:

  1. Hiring T-shaped people versus specialists
  2. Try to get doers
  3. More candidate flow solves a lot of problems
  4. Interview for the actual work you’ll be doing, not skillset trivia
  5. Raw intelligence is just one factor – don’t overestimate it

There are many more topics, of course, but this is a good start – let’s dig in:

Hiring T-shaped people versus specialists
One of the truisms in startupland is that everyone has to wear many hats – backend programmers might have to pitch in and do some feature work, designers might have to write some marketing copy, and the CEO might have to vaccuum the office ;-) Just as importantly, if you believe that startups are fundamentally undergoing a process to learn about their customer and the market, then you need people who are  versatile who can see distant connections between a variety of topics. So you want generalists, but a specific kind.

I’ve come to believe that the first batch of people you want on your team are going to be T-shaped, meaning they are broad in a bunch of different areas and deep in a particular one. The breadth of skills gives them enough common context that they can have conversations with anyone on the team about anything, but the depth gives them a source of knowledge that makes them vital to the team.

Testing for this can be as simple as asking a deeper set of questions when interviewing candidates, and asking them to do exercises that are outside of their stated skillset. Most engineering interviews are specialized enough that there are coding questions, but not many that I’ve seen also include an interview around product creation or UI design. Similarly, when discussing candidates, you’ll want to give equal weight to their depth area as their breadth areas.

Watch out for people who are so deep in one area that they seem to be overspecialized – it can be a signal for a lack of interest for pitching in on areas that might be vital for your team, or they may have nothing to do if your startup inevitably changes directions.

Try to get doers
It’s very important to hire people who are execution-focused early on. You just don’t have a lot of room for senior people or “philosophers” that don’t immediately contribute value in the product development process. When it comes to seniority, I’ve often liked to hire people who have recently had titles as team leads or directors, but nothing more senior. That way, you get people who are used to the responsibility of leading a team, yet are still low enough to the ground to have immediate impact. This is why people who are fresh out of consulting or banking backgrounds make for impractical partners – they are too focused on strategy and financials when you really should be focused 100% on concrete products and customers.

The other type that you find that’s not execution-oriented is the philosopher type. These folks often interview really well, are familiar with a wide spectrum of things and often experiment with new technologies all the time. The hard part about adding these folks to your early team is that they may be more interested in reading blogs and indulging themselves intellectually than really working hard on a team to get a lot of work done.

More candidate flow solves a lot of problems

For most seed stage startups, getting the first 2-3 people usually won’t be a problem – you’ll have people in mind, or people who are in your immediate group of friends who are easily accessible. What’s much harder is once you move beyond your immediate network, where you may find:

  • People you want have jobs and aren’t interested
  • As an entrepreneur, you know lots of entreprenurs who want to start something, not join something
  • Lots of “OK” people who are interested, but who are hard to get jazzed about
  • etc.

It’s easy to immediately get into a state where bars get lowered, things you don’t want to get accommodated are, and all sorts of other problems. Or you’ll have interviews where the person was OK but not great, and you really want the skillset.

All of this hand-wringing can be solved if you find a repeatable model for contacting qualified people and getting them in the door. I’ve found that when you start hiring for a new job role, it’s hard to figure out who a perfect candidate is – it isn’t until you see 10 candidates that you start to hone into what you really want and like. Figuring out the repeatable process that works for you is the hard part – but you want to find communities where your ideal candidates are already involved, and start talking to as many of them as possible. This may be Newgrounds for Flash people, or the Firefox extensions directory for browser folks.

Interview for the actual work you’ll be doing, not skillset trivia
I’ve previously written a bunch about my feelings on this topic, so I’ll just link here. The short of it is that I think most interview processes suck because they aren’t actually tests of what it would be like to actually work together. The ideal interview, imho, is just to interview, then work together for 2 months and do a checkpoint to see if it’s working OK. But because most people looking for a job aren’t willing to do that, having a 3-day “working interview” is a reasonable substitute as well.

Raw intelligence is just one factor – don’t overestimate it
All the young, energetic entreprenurs I know want to hire other people like them – high-horsepower people who work hard. As a result, you can organize an entire hiring process around intelligence, full of puzzles and brainteasers, and reward anyone who thinks quickly on their feet. I’ve found that this actually sucks as a minimum bar for hiring people – it’s just as important to evaluate things like passion in the area you’re working in, their reasons and goals for being at your startup, etc. The reason why you need to evaluate this stuff is that startups are really hard, and often take more time than you think they will – as a result, it’s important to understand peoples’ motivations to make sure it’s a good match from the beginning.

A couple of the things that are useful to evaluate:

  • How do they see work fitting in their life? Does the style match? (Mornings vs late, hours, etc.)
  • Level of process and improvisation – how are decisions made, how well are things spec’d and defined, etc.
  • Mutual goals and motivations – money versus serving a goal versus learning versus others
  • What stage of startups do they like? Seed, mid, later on? Why?
  • Long-term goals – create a great lifestyle company, or try to go big?

I think questions like the above should get equal billing as testing for skillset – these are the kinds of things that impact long-term collaboration and performance as much as mastery of skillsets of knowledge.

Figuring out the alignment of these soft skills reminds me a lot of this great interview with John Doerr of Kleiner Perkins, where he discusses Missionaries versus Mercenaries – you can watch the video at your leisure below. Ideally, you find people who really understand and believe in the mission of the company – and if you have really smart mercenaries in the team, it may work well for when things are going well, but there’ll be significant issues if there are any hiccups (which there are bound to be some).

As a side note, this is often a problem with hiring metrics-oriented people, because their passion and interests aren’t as much in the value that’s created through the product as much as figuring out how to make the metrics go up. This can create a very revenue-oriented mercenary culture that leads to weird company vision problems. I think the ideal scenario is to find people who have a passion for the particular product you’re bringing to market, and then training them to be metrics-oriented, versus taking people who love numbers/data/algos and trying to train them to love a particular product area.

Comments? Any lessons to share?
If so, please comment below – would love to hear from other early stage startups and their lessons in hiring the first 10 or so people.

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Written by Andrew Chen

September 14th, 2009 at 8:30 am

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  • Andrew great insights & points. We're at the point you described at TapSmack where we are building out the team and many of your points resonate with our thinking. Another critical point to consider is looking beyond a candidate's experience at brand name companies or universities and focus on their actual accomplishments. To reach the next level success, it's important to find team members who are in it for the long haul and are scrappy enough to get it done when the going gets tough. Sometimes it simply means hiring the "hungrier" candidate.
  • Excellent thoughts once again Andrew. I truly believe (like you) that nearly all of the resume pimping and multi-stage interviews are all pomp and circumstance.

    One of the greatest things about oDesk et al is the ease in which you can do the 'working interviews' and scale from 1 day to 5 day to 3 months to valued full time employee. Sure there are a lot of downsides as well, but this fact nets all of them off and then some.

    Also, you know you've been writing this blog (or working in viral marketing/metrics) too long when you write "the depth gives them a source of knowledge that makes them viral to the team."

    Shouldn't that be 'vital' instead of 'viral'? I am not sure you want a team member going all 'viral' on everybody else :)
  • re: vital, fixed! Thanks for the catch.

    Yes, hiring people who are consultants/contractors have the advantage that you can "try before you buy" with the drawback that I've found that people with those backgrounds are often very wide but shallow. More _ shaped than T ;-)

    We've found one thing that works is having people fly in on a Friday and do a 3-day interview crossing into the weekend, and after 3 days, you have an amazing sense for that person's skillsets.
  • One painful lesson: in startups personality actually matters more than contributions. If the person is producing, but is absolutely toxic to the morale of the rest of the team, you need to part ways. No-one is so indispensable as to be allowed to destroy the rest of the team.

    Unfortunately this trait is often well hidden during a typical interview, and only appears later.
  • Hi Andrew! Excellent post as usual!

    I am involved in a social network startup with the freemium model and I wanted to ask you where can i find social network historical data or statistics like virality or free to premium conversion, to backup my business plan data!

    Thanks for all your essays!

    Ignacio
  • great post and comment thanks!
  • Suggestions:

    1. Hire people who already do the job as a hobby. This is a silver bullet. At Firepad, we mostly hired coders who had shipped their own PalmOS shareware. They were easy to find, knew the API, but more critically, they had proven motivation completely finish Palm software apps, without any oversight or schedule pressure.

    2. Read at least 10 resumes for every interview; interview at least 10 for every hire. It's a numbers game. You need volume, but have limited time. Face time is costly. Narrow the field.

    3. Use an intern to take a first cut at resumes. For each job, define features to look for, and have them present you with the winners. Then you have a stronger pool on which to execute #2 above.

    4. Interviews: rate candidates on a scale of 1 to 3 for motivation, integrity and ability. No fractions -- if they aren't a 3, then they are a 2. Any candidate scoring a 1 is rejected. Any candidate with more than one 2 is rejected. The very structure of this system forces hard judgment calls to be made quickly.

    5. Hire someone just for a day. If they perform, they get the job. If not, you pay for their time and show them the door. Interviews are essentially hypothetical, while a one-day contractor shows you plenty. This requires a slack labor market (e.g. 2002).

    6. Either fire your new hire within 2 weeks, or never. Why only 2 weeks? First because, if they aren't great then, while on best behavior, then they never will be. Second because, if you fire later, after friendships have formed, the whole company will suffer bad feelings. Hesitating to reverse a mistake is probably the most common, yet most destructive, hiring error.

    Credit where due: learned #4 and #5 from other sharp software company founders.
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