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		<title>By: Saku</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2009/06/15/why-you-should-make-it-easy-for-users-to-quit-your-product/comment-page-1/#comment-2090</link>
		<dc:creator>Saku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you think based on your experience, how many startups (%) achieve product/market fit and how many die trying. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks,&lt;br&gt;Saku</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you think based on your experience, how many startups (%) achieve product/market fit and how many die trying. </p>
<p>Thanks,<br />Saku</p>
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		<title>By: Steve C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s for exactly this reason that I started using gmail...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;...and for exactly this reason that I won&#039;t be a Tivo customer ever again.  I switched to the crappy cable company DVR because Tivo and the set-top wouldn&#039;t play nicely together, having otherwise thoroughly enjoyed my Tivo experience.  So I call up to cancel Tivo, and they do this high-pressure thing where they insult your intelligence, tell you how bad life is about to get, and in the face of me saying &quot;no no no cancel my service&quot; this goes on and on for 20 minutes.  Totally ridiculous, and I was taken aback (given how good Tivo is otherwise).  Screw Tivo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s for exactly this reason that I started using gmail&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;and for exactly this reason that I won&#39;t be a Tivo customer ever again.  I switched to the crappy cable company DVR because Tivo and the set-top wouldn&#39;t play nicely together, having otherwise thoroughly enjoyed my Tivo experience.  So I call up to cancel Tivo, and they do this high-pressure thing where they insult your intelligence, tell you how bad life is about to get, and in the face of me saying &#8220;no no no cancel my service&#8221; this goes on and on for 20 minutes.  Totally ridiculous, and I was taken aback (given how good Tivo is otherwise).  Screw Tivo.</p>
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		<title>By: NickS</title>
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		<dc:creator>NickS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 04:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By far the greatest learning always comes when talking to people who had made an active choice not to use (after having engaged in a buying process), or who had decided to become non-users (after a period of use). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Newly non-users are particularly useful - they&#039;ve chosen to abandon their ££££&#039;s - their disappointment is sharply felt and they tend to articulate it well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By far the greatest learning always comes when talking to people who had made an active choice not to use (after having engaged in a buying process), or who had decided to become non-users (after a period of use). </p>
<p>Newly non-users are particularly useful &#8211; they&#39;ve chosen to abandon their ££££&#39;s &#8211; their disappointment is sharply felt and they tend to articulate it well.</p>
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		<title>By: David Semeria</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2009/06/15/why-you-should-make-it-easy-for-users-to-quit-your-product/comment-page-1/#comment-1867</link>
		<dc:creator>David Semeria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got old Photobucket accounts I haven&#039;t used in years. This usage information is ambiguous to Photobucket because I may be actively using the service via different credentials (which I am).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Would an quit signal add any more value in my case? I don&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve got old Photobucket accounts I haven&#39;t used in years. This usage information is ambiguous to Photobucket because I may be actively using the service via different credentials (which I am).</p>
<p>Would an quit signal add any more value in my case? I don&#39;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: David Locke</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Locke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The OODA is always followed by an AAR. The AAR is QA&#039;ed, then training programs that teach the skills that serve as the infrastructure for the OODA cycle are modified. In the sense of the spiral model, the OODA loop itself is a sensor in the decision support network. The AAR and QA processes are the fusion in the decision support network. The decision in this DSS is to commit the resources to revise the training, and to train the revision. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The faster battlefield OODA is backed up with a slower training OODA. Layers and layers. The spiral is only visible when you step back and see the whole thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The OODA is always followed by an AAR. The AAR is QA&#39;ed, then training programs that teach the skills that serve as the infrastructure for the OODA cycle are modified. In the sense of the spiral model, the OODA loop itself is a sensor in the decision support network. The AAR and QA processes are the fusion in the decision support network. The decision in this DSS is to commit the resources to revise the training, and to train the revision. </p>
<p>The faster battlefield OODA is backed up with a slower training OODA. Layers and layers. The spiral is only visible when you step back and see the whole thing.</p>
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		<title>By: jasoncrawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>jasoncrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, Andrew.  Before reading this, I would have said that you should make it easy to quit for the same reason that business offer money-back guarantees: by eliminating all risk of trying your product, you make it more likely that people will try it (and hopefully love it).  But the learning argument is even stronger, especially for startups.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regarding startup-as-learning-machine, has anyone looked at the process as essentially *risk*-based?  The core idea seems essentially the same as in Barry Boehm&#039;s spiral model of software development.  (The Wikipedia page for OODA doesn&#039;t mention the spiral model, though, or vice versa.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, Andrew.  Before reading this, I would have said that you should make it easy to quit for the same reason that business offer money-back guarantees: by eliminating all risk of trying your product, you make it more likely that people will try it (and hopefully love it).  But the learning argument is even stronger, especially for startups.</p>
<p>Regarding startup-as-learning-machine, has anyone looked at the process as essentially *risk*-based?  The core idea seems essentially the same as in Barry Boehm&#39;s spiral model of software development.  (The Wikipedia page for OODA doesn&#39;t mention the spiral model, though, or vice versa.)</p>
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		<title>By: David Locke</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Locke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exit barriers are a sin in web-based applications. Exit barriers are valuable with installed applications. Eliminating exit barriers are part of what must be done to move an installed application online. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Learning creates exit barriers beyond those of data movement. Learning-based exit barriers can be and should be reduced when moving an installed application online. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even open software has implicit costs around the learning exit barrier. No software is ever free. Sure you may not see the dollars flowing out of your wallet, but your time is money as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exit barriers are a sin in web-based applications. Exit barriers are valuable with installed applications. Eliminating exit barriers are part of what must be done to move an installed application online. </p>
<p>Learning creates exit barriers beyond those of data movement. Learning-based exit barriers can be and should be reduced when moving an installed application online. </p>
<p>Even open software has implicit costs around the learning exit barrier. No software is ever free. Sure you may not see the dollars flowing out of your wallet, but your time is money as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Chen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly - there&#039;s a lot to be learned by studying how positive experiences deviate from the mean, but also the reverse. Studying quitters and extreme users in general is a very useful thing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I know that IDEO often has what they call &quot;unfocus groups&quot; in which they invite very extreme users, rather than trying to find representative normal people. And the reason, of course, is because they want as many strong signals as possible from people throughout the spectrum of love vs hate, not just the middle part.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for the comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly &#8211; there&#39;s a lot to be learned by studying how positive experiences deviate from the mean, but also the reverse. Studying quitters and extreme users in general is a very useful thing.</p>
<p>I know that IDEO often has what they call &#8220;unfocus groups&#8221; in which they invite very extreme users, rather than trying to find representative normal people. And the reason, of course, is because they want as many strong signals as possible from people throughout the spectrum of love vs hate, not just the middle part.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Chen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great link! Very interesting, and makes a ton of sense to distinguish the two.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just to excerpt from the article that Rob linked, for readers of the comments:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The right goal for a company is to deliver customer experiences of such high quality that customers recognize the value in the relationship and become Promoters. These Promoters generate good profits and fuel true growth. They become, in effect, part of a company&#039;s marketing department, not only increasing their own purchases but also providing enthusiastic referrals.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By contrast, companies can boost short-term profits by exploiting customer relationships, raising prices when they can get away with it, or cutting back on services to save costs and boost margins. Those practices boost bad profits by extracting value from customers at the expense of loyalty, creating Detractors. Companies can not achieve long-term sustained growth on the basis of bad profits.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Conventional accounting can&#039;t distinguish a dollar of good profits — the kind that lead to growth — from a dollar of bad profits, which undermine it. The Net Promoter Score fills this gap. Just as managers use financial reporting to make sure they are meeting profit goals, they can use NPS to make sure they are meeting customer-relationship goals. Therein lies the path to true growth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great link! Very interesting, and makes a ton of sense to distinguish the two.</p>
<p>Just to excerpt from the article that Rob linked, for readers of the comments:</p>
<p>The right goal for a company is to deliver customer experiences of such high quality that customers recognize the value in the relationship and become Promoters. These Promoters generate good profits and fuel true growth. They become, in effect, part of a company&#39;s marketing department, not only increasing their own purchases but also providing enthusiastic referrals.</p>
<p>By contrast, companies can boost short-term profits by exploiting customer relationships, raising prices when they can get away with it, or cutting back on services to save costs and boost margins. Those practices boost bad profits by extracting value from customers at the expense of loyalty, creating Detractors. Companies can not achieve long-term sustained growth on the basis of bad profits.</p>
<p>Conventional accounting can&#39;t distinguish a dollar of good profits — the kind that lead to growth — from a dollar of bad profits, which undermine it. The Net Promoter Score fills this gap. Just as managers use financial reporting to make sure they are meeting profit goals, they can use NPS to make sure they are meeting customer-relationship goals. Therein lies the path to true growth.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Goldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Goldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your stuff Andrew.  Very logical arguments all around.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;d add another point, which is that we all want to earn money from people who love our products.   Earning money from people who hate them is often possible and almost always a short lived and unsustainable phenomena. I&#039;ve found that it&#039;s often hard to tell the difference online.   If you can tie a satisfaction metric to profitability, it&#039;s a good way to know if you have a sustainable businesses or a short-term exploit. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here&#039;s a good discussion of that topic.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.netpromoter.com/np/profits.jsp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.netpromoter.com/np/profits.jsp&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your stuff Andrew.  Very logical arguments all around.  </p>
<p>I&#39;d add another point, which is that we all want to earn money from people who love our products.   Earning money from people who hate them is often possible and almost always a short lived and unsustainable phenomena. I&#39;ve found that it&#39;s often hard to tell the difference online.   If you can tie a satisfaction metric to profitability, it&#39;s a good way to know if you have a sustainable businesses or a short-term exploit. </p>
<p>Here&#39;s a good discussion of that topic.  <a href="http://www.netpromoter.com/np/profits.jsp" rel="nofollow">http://www.netpromoter.com/np/profits.jsp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric Ries</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Ries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Epic. Very well said.</description>
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		<title>By: John Haggard</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Haggard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on Andrew as usual. When thinking about your (and Marc&#039;s) comments re: product/market fit, it reminded me to relook at Christensen&#039;s &quot;market to circumstances&quot; discussion. On p. 75 he explains that &quot;companies that target their products at the circumstances in which customers find themselves, rather than at the customers themselves, are those that can launch predictably successful products.&quot; (The Innovator&#039;s Solution). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Quitters indicate that the product didn&#039;t fit the circumstance well, so the question remains, what was the circumstance and is there a common thread among quitters? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks again for your posts, always a pleasure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on Andrew as usual. When thinking about your (and Marc&#39;s) comments re: product/market fit, it reminded me to relook at Christensen&#39;s &#8220;market to circumstances&#8221; discussion. On p. 75 he explains that &#8220;companies that target their products at the circumstances in which customers find themselves, rather than at the customers themselves, are those that can launch predictably successful products.&#8221; (The Innovator&#39;s Solution). </p>
<p>Quitters indicate that the product didn&#39;t fit the circumstance well, so the question remains, what was the circumstance and is there a common thread among quitters? </p>
<p>Thanks again for your posts, always a pleasure.</p>
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