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		<title>By: RexDixon</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2009/03/02/does-ab-testing-lead-to-crappy-products/comment-page-1/#comment-2598</link>
		<dc:creator>RexDixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you uploaded any of your more successful A/B Tests to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abtests.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.abtests.com/&lt;/a&gt; ? Have you had a sec to check out Performable yet? ( &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.performable.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.performable.com/&lt;/a&gt; ) - Do you think their services are on the right track?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you uploaded any of your more successful A/B Tests to <a href="http://www.abtests.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.abtests.com/</a> ? Have you had a sec to check out Performable yet? ( <a href="http://www.performable.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.performable.com/</a> ) &#8211; Do you think their services are on the right track?</p>
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		<title>By: David Chu</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Chu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be an oversimplification, but this is the way I look at the difference between design and metric driven thinking.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let&#039;s say you have a process:&lt;br&gt;A --&gt; B --&gt; C&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Design-Driven Thinking would ask:&lt;br&gt;&quot;How to I design out B to get a person from A --&gt; C directly?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Metric-Driven Thinking would ask:&lt;br&gt;&quot;How do I get a person from A --&gt; B faster and then from B --&gt; C faster?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The main reason I think that business school don&#039;t focus on design is because the term leaves too much to interpretation.  If you ask 10 people the definition of &#039;metrics&#039; and &#039;design&#039;, you&#039;ll get a lot more agreement for &#039;metrics&#039;.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The other thing that holds design back IMO, is that most of the &#039;design&#039; companies I see today are more focused on aesthetics than functionality.  True design combines the two.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That said, I&#039;m not an expert and I&#039;d really like to hear your opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be an oversimplification, but this is the way I look at the difference between design and metric driven thinking.</p>
<p>Let&#39;s say you have a process:<br />A &#8211;&gt; B &#8211;&gt; C</p>
<p>Design-Driven Thinking would ask:<br />&#8220;How to I design out B to get a person from A &#8211;&gt; C directly?&#8221;</p>
<p>Metric-Driven Thinking would ask:<br />&#8220;How do I get a person from A &#8211;&gt; B faster and then from B &#8211;&gt; C faster?&#8221;</p>
<p>The main reason I think that business school don&#39;t focus on design is because the term leaves too much to interpretation.  If you ask 10 people the definition of &#39;metrics&#39; and &#39;design&#39;, you&#39;ll get a lot more agreement for &#39;metrics&#39;.  </p>
<p>The other thing that holds design back IMO, is that most of the &#39;design&#39; companies I see today are more focused on aesthetics than functionality.  True design combines the two.  </p>
<p>That said, I&#39;m not an expert and I&#39;d really like to hear your opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: renren</title>
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		<dc:creator>renren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: consumer product research</title>
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		<dc:creator>consumer product research</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, i have learned so much in that and i think it will help me a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, i have learned so much in that and i think it will help me a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Brant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Metrics doesn’t replace strategy&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And process doesn&#039;t replace intuition.   One reason large companies lose their cutting edge is because the replace risk with process.  Process and metrics are important, but gut feel has its place.  Ultimately, the &quot;vision&quot; is based on gut-feel.  There&#039;s a fine line entrepreneurs must walk between pursuing the vision vs. following the customer.  Louis Mumford (architect and sociologist), when asked where to put a sidewalk, said &quot;watch where they walk and pave their path.&quot;  I guess in this analogy, the sidewalk is the vision, but it will not likely weave the exact path you originally thought.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The power of process and metrics is not only that they help determine the path, but they can be used to halt failure.   Both intuition and painting by numbers will lead to mistakes.  But do you have phase gates that indicate failure?  Track leading indicators that foretell problems?  Mistakes are okay as long as you recognize them as soon as possible and don&#039;t repeat them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Love your blog!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Brant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Metrics doesn’t replace strategy</p></blockquote>
<p>And process doesn&#39;t replace intuition.   One reason large companies lose their cutting edge is because the replace risk with process.  Process and metrics are important, but gut feel has its place.  Ultimately, the &#8220;vision&#8221; is based on gut-feel.  There&#39;s a fine line entrepreneurs must walk between pursuing the vision vs. following the customer.  Louis Mumford (architect and sociologist), when asked where to put a sidewalk, said &#8220;watch where they walk and pave their path.&#8221;  I guess in this analogy, the sidewalk is the vision, but it will not likely weave the exact path you originally thought.</p>
<p>The power of process and metrics is not only that they help determine the path, but they can be used to halt failure.   Both intuition and painting by numbers will lead to mistakes.  But do you have phase gates that indicate failure?  Track leading indicators that foretell problems?  Mistakes are okay as long as you recognize them as soon as possible and don&#39;t repeat them.</p>
<p>Love your blog!</p>
<p>Brant</p>
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		<title>By: popart</title>
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		<dc:creator>popart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A camel is a horse designed by committee&#8221;<br />: )</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Savides</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Savides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m more of a design-minded guy who realizes that metrics are important to understand, so it is interesting to read about your take as a metrics guy who values good design.  Metrics seem to be useful for figuring out what people are doing: what is popular and profitable right now.  They are less useful for figuring out the why or the merit of the what.  Metrics reveal that more people use Windows machines than Macs, for example, but the numbers alone do not explain which machine provides a more satisfying experience, and whether a more satisfying experience is even something worth pursuing. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even if you did a survey to figure this out, you would be asking people to make subjective judgments, and not all subjective judgments are equal.  A trained composer would be able to better appreciate the nuances of a textured symphony in ways that the musically uninitiated could not.  But, since there are more musically unsophisticated people in the world than world-class musicians, the metrics could sometimes stack up against the truly excellent in favor of the mediocre and more familiar.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While our society likes to talk about the box office that movies did, most movie fans prefer movies created by a few individuals with highly refined skills and sensibilities rather than the market-tested products that are produced by metrics-minded bureaucrats.  Put another way, metrics can help us profit from well-designed stuff, but they cannot, on their own, generate the great designs that capture our imaginations and our wallets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post.  </p>
<p>I&#39;m more of a design-minded guy who realizes that metrics are important to understand, so it is interesting to read about your take as a metrics guy who values good design.  Metrics seem to be useful for figuring out what people are doing: what is popular and profitable right now.  They are less useful for figuring out the why or the merit of the what.  Metrics reveal that more people use Windows machines than Macs, for example, but the numbers alone do not explain which machine provides a more satisfying experience, and whether a more satisfying experience is even something worth pursuing. </p>
<p>Even if you did a survey to figure this out, you would be asking people to make subjective judgments, and not all subjective judgments are equal.  A trained composer would be able to better appreciate the nuances of a textured symphony in ways that the musically uninitiated could not.  But, since there are more musically unsophisticated people in the world than world-class musicians, the metrics could sometimes stack up against the truly excellent in favor of the mediocre and more familiar.  </p>
<p>While our society likes to talk about the box office that movies did, most movie fans prefer movies created by a few individuals with highly refined skills and sensibilities rather than the market-tested products that are produced by metrics-minded bureaucrats.  Put another way, metrics can help us profit from well-designed stuff, but they cannot, on their own, generate the great designs that capture our imaginations and our wallets.</p>
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		<title>By: incolas</title>
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		<dc:creator>incolas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Game developer Blizzard has been one of the first companies to listen to user feedback to create amazing experiences in their games. And that contributed to second to none success. Starcraft has been a top 20 best seller in PC games for the past 11 years, and World of Warcraft has been the absolute market leader for the past 4 years. Still, as a Starcraft fan back in the day, I could tell how gamers sometimes were mad at Blizzard for not listening to them. Because, yes, Blizzard is still the main driving force behind their games. When I read every day about metrics driven product development, I always try and keep in mind that Blizzard achieved huge success by listenning to gamers, but not necessarily by applying everything they suggested, whether vocally or behaviouraly (sorry for the bad word, but i&#039;m sure you get it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Game developer Blizzard has been one of the first companies to listen to user feedback to create amazing experiences in their games. And that contributed to second to none success. Starcraft has been a top 20 best seller in PC games for the past 11 years, and World of Warcraft has been the absolute market leader for the past 4 years. Still, as a Starcraft fan back in the day, I could tell how gamers sometimes were mad at Blizzard for not listening to them. Because, yes, Blizzard is still the main driving force behind their games. When I read every day about metrics driven product development, I always try and keep in mind that Blizzard achieved huge success by listenning to gamers, but not necessarily by applying everything they suggested, whether vocally or behaviouraly (sorry for the bad word, but i&#39;m sure you get it).</p>
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		<title>By: TH1977</title>
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		<dc:creator>TH1977</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for addressing these thought provoking issues.  Yet here&#039;s a larger question specific to marketing communications design: What&#039;s the overarching goal of a successful marketing program ( SEO, PPC, multi media, online, print, direct marketing, landing pages, whatever?)  The client&#039;s perspective is likely that the goal of any mar com effort is to: generate leads, increase sales, draw in qualified prospects, help fill the prospect pipeline...basically help develop business. So it makes perfect sense, in the case of marketing design, to test the vehicle and obtain quantitative metrics to help accomplish such goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for addressing these thought provoking issues.  Yet here&#39;s a larger question specific to marketing communications design: What&#39;s the overarching goal of a successful marketing program ( SEO, PPC, multi media, online, print, direct marketing, landing pages, whatever?)  The client&#39;s perspective is likely that the goal of any mar com effort is to: generate leads, increase sales, draw in qualified prospects, help fill the prospect pipeline&#8230;basically help develop business. So it makes perfect sense, in the case of marketing design, to test the vehicle and obtain quantitative metrics to help accomplish such goals.</p>
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		<title>By: Iaax Page</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iaax Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 03:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, I think that strategy is keystone to entrepreneurs, and such strategy most be based on the opinions of experts such as paul Buchheit, and Alan Cooper, not to let the user become the designer of the application but to understand her in order to know what is it that she wants to accomplish, how it is useful for her and whether or not it fits into your strategy!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Iaax Page</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, I think that strategy is keystone to entrepreneurs, and such strategy most be based on the opinions of experts such as paul Buchheit, and Alan Cooper, not to let the user become the designer of the application but to understand her in order to know what is it that she wants to accomplish, how it is useful for her and whether or not it fits into your strategy!</p>
<p>Iaax Page</p>
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		<title>By: Barce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 01:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a really good question you raise. I think Greg at &lt;a href=&quot;http://Tagged.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tagged.com&lt;/a&gt; would have a very different answer, since he tried 9 A/B driven designs and picked the one with the best analytics. The month that happened Tagged popped from 1 million to 9 million, but that was 2 years ago.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the other hand, Amazon still runs A/B several times a day on its site. I would say that for products it works, but for services like EC2 it has really hurt its usability. And I love EC2, I just wish it&#039;d be easier to get to the info I want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really good question you raise. I think Greg at <a href="http://Tagged.com" rel="nofollow">Tagged.com</a> would have a very different answer, since he tried 9 A/B driven designs and picked the one with the best analytics. The month that happened Tagged popped from 1 million to 9 million, but that was 2 years ago.</p>
<p>On the other hand, Amazon still runs A/B several times a day on its site. I would say that for products it works, but for services like EC2 it has really hurt its usability. And I love EC2, I just wish it&#39;d be easier to get to the info I want.</p>
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		<title>By: BTS</title>
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		<dc:creator>BTS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 00:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is a great post.  I am an investor, board member, or founder in a few companies driven by this metrics driven approach and am often conflicted on this issue.  At its most basic level, i drive my teams to think about three things beyond the analytics:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1.  Where do we want to go ?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. How do we want to user to feel ?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3. What are the highest beta (craziest ideas) we can add to the product regardless of the data ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew</p>
<p>This is a great post.  I am an investor, board member, or founder in a few companies driven by this metrics driven approach and am often conflicted on this issue.  At its most basic level, i drive my teams to think about three things beyond the analytics:</p>
<p>1.  Where do we want to go ?</p>
<p>2. How do we want to user to feel ?</p>
<p>3. What are the highest beta (craziest ideas) we can add to the product regardless of the data ?</p>
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		<title>By: thesubjective</title>
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		<dc:creator>thesubjective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 00:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.</p>
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		<title>By: geckogo</title>
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		<dc:creator>geckogo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome post as always Andrew. :) I agree, it’s super important to step back and think – what’s my overall objective?   Am I trying to optimize the right things at this point in time?  While A/B testing is a great way to refine something that is already got potential, I think the testing has to stem off a general hypothesis or product vision that includes a unique draw.  There’s no way to literally optimize the heck out of everything and I agree things tend to converge and go vanilla pretty fast if you don’t keep things in check.  (though I know this but still get caught doing it. :p)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I have an example of something that I’m glad we didn’t give up on.  The first version of our home page flash map sucked pretty hard.   It comprised “Best destinations for &lt;activity&gt; and &lt;activity 2&gt; in &lt;month&gt;.  We had a popup with information, but nobody got it.  It was such a different implementation that people kept telling us it was confusing.  We were close to taking it off and going with something more standard.  But luckily we stuck with this basic concept and just tried different ideas around it, and our current homepage country map is among our site’s most loved features.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome post as always Andrew. <img src='http://andrewchenblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I agree, it’s super important to step back and think – what’s my overall objective?   Am I trying to optimize the right things at this point in time?  While A/B testing is a great way to refine something that is already got potential, I think the testing has to stem off a general hypothesis or product vision that includes a unique draw.  There’s no way to literally optimize the heck out of everything and I agree things tend to converge and go vanilla pretty fast if you don’t keep things in check.  (though I know this but still get caught doing it. :p)</p>
<p>And I have an example of something that I’m glad we didn’t give up on.  The first version of our home page flash map sucked pretty hard.   It comprised “Best destinations for &lt;activity&gt; and &lt;activity 2&gt; in &lt;month&gt;.  We had a popup with information, but nobody got it.  It was such a different implementation that people kept telling us it was confusing.  We were close to taking it off and going with something more standard.  But luckily we stuck with this basic concept and just tried different ideas around it, and our current homepage country map is among our site’s most loved features.</p>
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		<title>By: MoWidgets</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoWidgets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great reminder that analysis is a means to an end. It supports the process, it should not drive else we loose sight of the goal.</description>
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