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	<title>Comments on: How to calculate cost-per-acquisition for startups relying on freemium, subscription, or virtual items biz models</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/11/17/how-to-calculate-cost-per-acquisition-for-startups-relying-on-freemium-subscription-or-virtual-items-biz-models/comment-page-1/#comment-2898</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 07:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I am impressed with your article. It’s interesting. I would like to also let you know about <a href=http://www.useacpa.com>certified professional accountant directory </a>. Have it and check it, it will help you definitely.</p>
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		<title>By: TwtBuck </title>
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		<dc:creator>TwtBuck </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 23:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a company (start up) called Twtbuck. We are looking forward to get advertisers on this twitter advertising platform. The minimum deposit is $5. May I know what will be the expected minimum cost per acquisition for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a company (start up) called Twtbuck. We are looking forward to get advertisers on this twitter advertising platform. The minimum deposit is $5. May I know what will be the expected minimum cost per acquisition for this.</p>
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		<title>By: TwtBuck </title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/11/17/how-to-calculate-cost-per-acquisition-for-startups-relying-on-freemium-subscription-or-virtual-items-biz-models/comment-page-1/#comment-2702</link>
		<dc:creator>TwtBuck </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a company (start up) called Twtbuck. We are looking forward to get advertisers on this twitter advertising platform. The minimum deposit is $5. May I know what will be the expected minimum cost per acquisition for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a company (start up) called Twtbuck. We are looking forward to get advertisers on this twitter advertising platform. The minimum deposit is $5. May I know what will be the expected minimum cost per acquisition for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Chen</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/11/17/how-to-calculate-cost-per-acquisition-for-startups-relying-on-freemium-subscription-or-virtual-items-biz-models/comment-page-1/#comment-2606</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what I mean is that whether it&#039;s CPC or CPA or CPM, you can calculate the $ per lead. You can normalize it down just by doing the division. So they are all the same thing, except that as an advertiser, if you pay on an impressions basis you are taking on more risk than if you pay on the action (like for completed lead forms)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what I mean is that whether it&#39;s CPC or CPA or CPM, you can calculate the $ per lead. You can normalize it down just by doing the division. So they are all the same thing, except that as an advertiser, if you pay on an impressions basis you are taking on more risk than if you pay on the action (like for completed lead forms)</p>
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		<title>By: Raifinho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raifinho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>•	Cost model is something you should be able to normalize into CPA and mostly ignore, except for cashflow and risk reasons&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hi Andrew, what do you mean with this sentence? Could you explain little bit please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>•	Cost model is something you should be able to normalize into CPA and mostly ignore, except for cashflow and risk reasons</p>
<p>Hi Andrew, what do you mean with this sentence? Could you explain little bit please?</p>
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		<title>By: dave doctor</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave doctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 12:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your twitter badge obscures the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your twitter badge obscures the table.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Doctor</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/11/17/how-to-calculate-cost-per-acquisition-for-startups-relying-on-freemium-subscription-or-virtual-items-biz-models/comment-page-1/#comment-2224</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Doctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 12:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, very helpful. Your survey banner on the top right inspired me to research adding a fixed ad banner to my site. I found this helpful tutorial: &lt;a href=&quot;http://designm.ag/tutorials/fixed-position-banner/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://designm.ag/tutorials/fixed-position-banner/&lt;/a&gt;. I also posted a request for code to place it on the far right and left, rather than the top or bottom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, very helpful. Your survey banner on the top right inspired me to research adding a fixed ad banner to my site. I found this helpful tutorial: <a href="http://designm.ag/tutorials/fixed-position-banner/" rel="nofollow">http://designm.ag/tutorials/fixed-position-banner/</a>. I also posted a request for code to place it on the far right and left, rather than the top or bottom.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/11/17/how-to-calculate-cost-per-acquisition-for-startups-relying-on-freemium-subscription-or-virtual-items-biz-models/comment-page-1/#comment-1753</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 06:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it is better to have a small user base of incredibly loyal followers, than it is to have an enormous user base of casual ones.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it is better to have a small user base of incredibly loyal followers, than it is to have an enormous user base of casual ones.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: St. James</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/11/17/how-to-calculate-cost-per-acquisition-for-startups-relying-on-freemium-subscription-or-virtual-items-biz-models/comment-page-1/#comment-1629</link>
		<dc:creator>St. James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This guy&#039;s analysis is smoking hot!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This guy&#39;s analysis is smoking hot!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: busby_seo_test</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/11/17/how-to-calculate-cost-per-acquisition-for-startups-relying-on-freemium-subscription-or-virtual-items-biz-models/comment-page-1/#comment-1209</link>
		<dc:creator>busby_seo_test</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all of this great articles and tips.You help us a lot. Just keep on posting useful stuffs...God bless dude!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all of this great articles and tips.You help us a lot. Just keep on posting useful stuffs&#8230;God bless dude!</p>
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		<title>By: Vin</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/11/17/how-to-calculate-cost-per-acquisition-for-startups-relying-on-freemium-subscription-or-virtual-items-biz-models/comment-page-1/#comment-1205</link>
		<dc:creator>Vin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings folks,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m not from the Internet marketing space.  I&#039;m currently working on a start up that is internet based and am looking to learn a method of assuming (budgeting) a CPA for my business plan.  Any help would be GREAT!!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks,&lt;br&gt;Vin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings folks,</p>
<p>I&#39;m not from the Internet marketing space.  I&#39;m currently working on a start up that is internet based and am looking to learn a method of assuming (budgeting) a CPA for my business plan.  Any help would be GREAT!!!</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />Vin</p>
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		<title>By: GJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>GJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>basic and brilliant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>basic and brilliant</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Dewhirst</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/11/17/how-to-calculate-cost-per-acquisition-for-startups-relying-on-freemium-subscription-or-virtual-items-biz-models/comment-page-1/#comment-1197</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Dewhirst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We try and tie it back to traffic source after we have acquired new members and monitor them over a month.  We find that with Google we get targeted and committed members and from Facebook we get enthusiastic at first but they return rate falls off faster.  To us it is the difference between people window shopping and those that come in the store to really check you out.  A new member is really only worth it if they get engaged and it is that challenge to find them and give them what they are really looking for.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As a side note - I really appreciate the quality of your posts - you say the tough things that I sometimes try to forget but need to stay on top of.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheers - Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We try and tie it back to traffic source after we have acquired new members and monitor them over a month.  We find that with Google we get targeted and committed members and from Facebook we get enthusiastic at first but they return rate falls off faster.  To us it is the difference between people window shopping and those that come in the store to really check you out.  A new member is really only worth it if they get engaged and it is that challenge to find them and give them what they are really looking for.  </p>
<p>As a side note &#8211; I really appreciate the quality of your posts &#8211; you say the tough things that I sometimes try to forget but need to stay on top of.</p>
<p>Cheers &#8211; Eric</p>
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		<title>By: spanky</title>
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		<dc:creator>spanky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point - don&#039;t want to forget about branding.  Maybe I&#039;m calling &quot;viral factor&quot; the wrong thing - it&#039;s actually the &quot;freebie factor.&quot;  If you calculate overall CPA as total media spend divided by total sign-ups, and back out a freebie factor - which includes direct viral, WOM, SEO, etc. - then it takes into account the branding value.  It&#039;s just that it&#039;s really hard to measure and might take time to see.  So a campaign that gets tons of impressions, but shows little direct LTV, might actually increase the freebie factor over time, and drive down overall CPA, which is the ultimate goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point &#8211; don&#39;t want to forget about branding.  Maybe I&#39;m calling &#8220;viral factor&#8221; the wrong thing &#8211; it&#39;s actually the &#8220;freebie factor.&#8221;  If you calculate overall CPA as total media spend divided by total sign-ups, and back out a freebie factor &#8211; which includes direct viral, WOM, SEO, etc. &#8211; then it takes into account the branding value.  It&#39;s just that it&#39;s really hard to measure and might take time to see.  So a campaign that gets tons of impressions, but shows little direct LTV, might actually increase the freebie factor over time, and drive down overall CPA, which is the ultimate goal.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Chen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep, and in fact an interesting calculation is figuring out how much it costs to support a free user, and count that as part of your &quot;cost&quot; for acquiring paying users. That way you can compare, apples-to-apples, against paying users acquired via advertising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep, and in fact an interesting calculation is figuring out how much it costs to support a free user, and count that as part of your &#8220;cost&#8221; for acquiring paying users. That way you can compare, apples-to-apples, against paying users acquired via advertising.</p>
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