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	<title>Comments on: Viral marketing, activation, and retention metrics &#8211; commentary on Dave McClure&#8217;s Web 2.0 presentation</title>
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		<title>By: search engine marketing</title>
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		<dc:creator>search engine marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dave mcclure</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave mcclure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;btw, just re-read your post again &amp; decided i really like the &quot;wrong mountain&quot; vs &quot;right mountain&quot; framing in Retention (could also be in Activation as well).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;good shorthand for solving the right set of customer problem/needs, and i agree metrics alone probably only helps you optimize for the local max, not for the larger possible solution set.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, just re-read your post again &#038; decided i really like the &#8220;wrong mountain&#8221; vs &#8220;right mountain&#8221; framing in Retention (could also be in Activation as well).</p>
<p>good shorthand for solving the right set of customer problem/needs, and i agree metrics alone probably only helps you optimize for the local max, not for the larger possible solution set.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the imput Dave and Sean. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I believe that businesses need different acquasition strategies at different stages of their lifecycles. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My thinking is that in the beginning a business needs to have a lazer sharp approach to marketing as both financial and human resources are limited. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However as businesses progress in their lifecycles they can expand their marketing channels. This could be because of changes in their business model or just the fact that the demand for growth is greater and the business can afford to have channels which may have lower ROI but never the less be profitable. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Taking this further the idea that it takes momentum and business experience to maximise the revenues of a customer. This may restrict profitable marketing channels in the beggining that could open up later on in the businesses lifecycle. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Look forward to hearing more of your thoughts. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;John&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the imput Dave and Sean. </p>
<p>I believe that businesses need different acquasition strategies at different stages of their lifecycles. </p>
<p>My thinking is that in the beginning a business needs to have a lazer sharp approach to marketing as both financial and human resources are limited. </p>
<p>However as businesses progress in their lifecycles they can expand their marketing channels. This could be because of changes in their business model or just the fact that the demand for growth is greater and the business can afford to have channels which may have lower ROI but never the less be profitable. </p>
<p>Taking this further the idea that it takes momentum and business experience to maximise the revenues of a customer. This may restrict profitable marketing channels in the beggining that could open up later on in the businesses lifecycle. </p>
<p>Look forward to hearing more of your thoughts. </p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The &quot;pick one of the really scalable (acquisition) techniques&quot; wasn&#039;t quite sitting right with me either.  I agree with Dave&#039;s assessment in the previous comment.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Before committing to a new startup opportunity, I like to make sure there are several viable marketing angles.  Once committed, I prioritize these angles and start focused tests on the most realistic, scalable channel.  But it is essential that I have contingency plans if the first approach doesn&#039;t work. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I do agree that most entrepreneurs just list every potential marketing driver and have no coherent plan of attack to test these drivers.  If someone tries to execute all potential acquisition drivers simultaneously, they are almost guaranteed to fail.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for putting this presentation online (Dave and Andrew).  I was bummed I didn’t get a chance to attend the presentation (too busy planning Xobni’s fast approaching launch).  Great commentary Andrew.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;pick one of the really scalable (acquisition) techniques&#8221; wasn&#8217;t quite sitting right with me either.  I agree with Dave&#8217;s assessment in the previous comment.  </p>
<p>Before committing to a new startup opportunity, I like to make sure there are several viable marketing angles.  Once committed, I prioritize these angles and start focused tests on the most realistic, scalable channel.  But it is essential that I have contingency plans if the first approach doesn&#8217;t work. </p>
<p>I do agree that most entrepreneurs just list every potential marketing driver and have no coherent plan of attack to test these drivers.  If someone tries to execute all potential acquisition drivers simultaneously, they are almost guaranteed to fail.  </p>
<p>Thanks for putting this presentation online (Dave and Andrew).  I was bummed I didn’t get a chance to attend the presentation (too busy planning Xobni’s fast approaching launch).  Great commentary Andrew.</p>
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		<title>By: dave mcclure</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave mcclure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;re: the acquisition strategy, i think andrew&#039;s right that usually there is one primary large-volume channel for most companies, if/once they figure it out.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;that said, when you&#039;re getting started it may be difficult to know in advance which one that is going to be.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;so there&#039;s a bit of creative &amp; informed guessing combined with metrics that is needed, as well as some patience in testing &amp; developing multiple channels to see what works (or can be tweaked to work), before you get to a semi-steady state with one channel driving most of your traffic.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;long-term, the exercise probably looks like 1) maintain &amp; optimize your primary acquisition channel,  2) test &amp; explore new channels that 3) might eventually result in a new primary channel, or 4) at least account for 5-15% of overall volume.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;but it&#039;s almost invariably true that one channel works better than others &amp; drives most of the volume.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(corollary: this is also why larger companies that have discovered their primary channel can tolerate a lot of stupid decisions &amp; incompetent people, as long as they don&#039;t fuck up that primary channel ;)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: the acquisition strategy, i think andrew&#8217;s right that usually there is one primary large-volume channel for most companies, if/once they figure it out.</p>
<p>that said, when you&#8217;re getting started it may be difficult to know in advance which one that is going to be.</p>
<p>so there&#8217;s a bit of creative &#038; informed guessing combined with metrics that is needed, as well as some patience in testing &#038; developing multiple channels to see what works (or can be tweaked to work), before you get to a semi-steady state with one channel driving most of your traffic.</p>
<p>long-term, the exercise probably looks like 1) maintain &#038; optimize your primary acquisition channel,  2) test &#038; explore new channels that 3) might eventually result in a new primary channel, or 4) at least account for 5-15% of overall volume.</p>
<p>but it&#8217;s almost invariably true that one channel works better than others &#038; drives most of the volume.</p>
<p>(corollary: this is also why larger companies that have discovered their primary channel can tolerate a lot of stupid decisions &#038; incompetent people, as long as they don&#8217;t fuck up that primary channel <img src='http://andrewchenblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think it is important to understand if your business you are targeting is going to be something people are looking for, i.e. Search Engine Marketing required or something that is new and innovative that people are unaware of but would be interested in if they found out about it, which would lead to Online PR. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Business have different needs in terms of marketing and retention also has different masks. It maybe your a retailer and you need a different retention strategy from a software developer. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Offline interaction may be important vs only online interaction. These issues vary from business to business. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I liked your comments though and will be visiting again.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;John &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is important to understand if your business you are targeting is going to be something people are looking for, i.e. Search Engine Marketing required or something that is new and innovative that people are unaware of but would be interested in if they found out about it, which would lead to Online PR. </p>
<p>Business have different needs in terms of marketing and retention also has different masks. It maybe your a retailer and you need a different retention strategy from a software developer. </p>
<p>Offline interaction may be important vs only online interaction. These issues vary from business to business. </p>
<p>I liked your comments though and will be visiting again.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>John </p>
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		<title>By: Nik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Andrew,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A quick q- you mentioned that a firm has to do one thing very well and not spread thier &quot;acquisition&quot; strategies to thin...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But dont these work together... for e.g. a Good SEO strategy acts like ramps for the viral loops to work. So, dont you have to be good at both?&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,</p>
<p>A quick q- you mentioned that a firm has to do one thing very well and not spread thier &#8220;acquisition&#8221; strategies to thin&#8230;</p>
<p>But dont these work together&#8230; for e.g. a Good SEO strategy acts like ramps for the viral loops to work. So, dont you have to be good at both?</p>
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		<title>By: dave mcclure</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave mcclure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;wow, thanks for the detailed commentary &amp; points andrew!  terrific stuff :)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;in particular, i&#039;m realizing we need to add in your points about cohort analysis to the retention discussion...  i mentioned that to Hiten &amp; i know you &amp; i have talked about it in the past, but your post on that specific topic is really helpful.  i&#039;ll incorporate that in future iterations, and point back to your stuff.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;again, appreciate all the suggestions &amp; additional comments!  (and in the future, i&#039;ll be drafting you for the extended 1-day conference version of Startup Metrics ;)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, thanks for the detailed commentary &#038; points andrew!  terrific stuff <img src='http://andrewchenblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>in particular, i&#8217;m realizing we need to add in your points about cohort analysis to the retention discussion&#8230;  i mentioned that to Hiten &#038; i know you &#038; i have talked about it in the past, but your post on that specific topic is really helpful.  i&#8217;ll incorporate that in future iterations, and point back to your stuff.</p>
<p>again, appreciate all the suggestions &#038; additional comments!  (and in the future, i&#8217;ll be drafting you for the extended 1-day conference version of Startup Metrics <img src='http://andrewchenblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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