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	<title>Comments on: Facebook viral marketing: When and why do apps &#8220;jump the shark?&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: James Murithi Gachanja</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/03/05/facebook-viral-marketing-when-and-why-do-apps-jump-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-2890</link>
		<dc:creator>James Murithi Gachanja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really enlarging my scope of understanding viral marketing by reading this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really enlarging my scope of understanding viral marketing by reading this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Chen</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/03/05/facebook-viral-marketing-when-and-why-do-apps-jump-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-2805</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep, all the channels are going to be very different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep, all the channels are going to be very different.</p>
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		<title>By: vinniv</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/03/05/facebook-viral-marketing-when-and-why-do-apps-jump-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-2804</link>
		<dc:creator>vinniv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great analysis!  When you mention &quot;Don’t just model invites, model multiple viral channels&quot; are you suggesting that you break out each cohort into more granular segments, such as &quot;new user from email invite, new user from twitter link, new user from blog widget, etc&quot; then drill into each segment to view the performance?  Have you seen disparate performance based on the &#039;type&#039; of invite a user received from the viral loop?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great analysis!  When you mention &#8220;Don’t just model invites, model multiple viral channels&#8221; are you suggesting that you break out each cohort into more granular segments, such as &#8220;new user from email invite, new user from twitter link, new user from blog widget, etc&#8221; then drill into each segment to view the performance?  Have you seen disparate performance based on the &#39;type&#39; of invite a user received from the viral loop?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Chen</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/03/05/facebook-viral-marketing-when-and-why-do-apps-jump-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-2652</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 15:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep, all the channels are going to be very different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep, all the channels are going to be very different.</p>
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		<title>By: vinniv</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/03/05/facebook-viral-marketing-when-and-why-do-apps-jump-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-2651</link>
		<dc:creator>vinniv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 13:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great analysis!  When you mention &quot;Don’t just model invites, model multiple viral channels&quot; are you suggesting that you break out each cohort into more granular segments, such as &quot;new user from email invite, new user from twitter link, new user from blog widget, etc&quot; then drill into each segment to view the performance?  Have you seen disparate performance based on the &#039;type&#039; of invite a user received from the viral loop?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great analysis!  When you mention &#8220;Don’t just model invites, model multiple viral channels&#8221; are you suggesting that you break out each cohort into more granular segments, such as &#8220;new user from email invite, new user from twitter link, new user from blog widget, etc&#8221; then drill into each segment to view the performance?  Have you seen disparate performance based on the &#39;type&#39; of invite a user received from the viral loop?</p>
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		<title>By: facebook viral apps</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/03/05/facebook-viral-marketing-when-and-why-do-apps-jump-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-2455</link>
		<dc:creator>facebook viral apps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post, It’s incredible to see how quickly this is all happening.&lt;br&gt;Because Facebook is all about friends, I think the apps that deliver true value to friendship networks (like the carpool and couchswap apps) are the ones to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, It’s incredible to see how quickly this is all happening.<br />Because Facebook is all about friends, I think the apps that deliver true value to friendship networks (like the carpool and couchswap apps) are the ones to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: What I&#8217;m reading: Viral Loop by Adam Penenberg &#124; Andrew Chen (@andrew_chen)</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/03/05/facebook-viral-marketing-when-and-why-do-apps-jump-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-2349</link>
		<dc:creator>What I&#8217;m reading: Viral Loop by Adam Penenberg &#124; Andrew Chen (@andrew_chen)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hitting saturation in viral networks Another important limitation is that there&#8217;s a finite number of users out there, and after you churn through all of them, all you have to look forward to is the long plateau. I first wrote about this in my post Facebook Viral Marketing: When and why do apps &#8220;jump the shark.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hitting saturation in viral networks Another important limitation is that there&#8217;s a finite number of users out there, and after you churn through all of them, all you have to look forward to is the long plateau. I first wrote about this in my post Facebook Viral Marketing: When and why do apps &#8220;jump the shark.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: To my first 10,000 blog subscribers: Thank you! &#124; Andrew Chen (@andrew_chen)</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/03/05/facebook-viral-marketing-when-and-why-do-apps-jump-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-2023</link>
		<dc:creator>To my first 10,000 blog subscribers: Thank you! &#124; Andrew Chen (@andrew_chen)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Facebook viral marketing: When and why do apps “jump the shark?” [...]</description>
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		<title>By: FP NICOLAS</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/03/05/facebook-viral-marketing-when-and-why-do-apps-jump-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-1765</link>
		<dc:creator>FP NICOLAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, thanks !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, thanks !</p>
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		<title>By: gargouri2001</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/03/05/facebook-viral-marketing-when-and-why-do-apps-jump-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-1030</link>
		<dc:creator>gargouri2001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice write up and blog , Thanks for sharing all those good info&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;best regards&lt;br&gt;John&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thenewsempire.com/Technologies/&quot;&gt;http://thenewsempire.com/Technologies/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice write up and blog , Thanks for sharing all those good info</p>
<p>best regards<br />John<br /><a href="http://thenewsempire.com/Technologies/">http://thenewsempire.com/Technologies/</a></p>
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		<title>By: How to measure if users love your product using cohorts and revisit rates &#124; Futuristic Play by @Andrew_Chen</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/03/05/facebook-viral-marketing-when-and-why-do-apps-jump-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-939</link>
		<dc:creator>How to measure if users love your product using cohorts and revisit rates &#124; Futuristic Play by @Andrew_Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] results - in particular, without the proper mechanics in place, it&#8217;s easy to hit the &#8220;shark fin&#8221; user curve, as well as the death spiral caused by reverse Metcalfe&#8217;s Law. In both cases, once the core [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] results &#8211; in particular, without the proper mechanics in place, it&#8217;s easy to hit the &#8220;shark fin&#8221; user curve, as well as the death spiral caused by reverse Metcalfe&#8217;s Law. In both cases, once the core [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kati</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/03/05/facebook-viral-marketing-when-and-why-do-apps-jump-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-344</link>
		<dc:creator>Kati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Andrew!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I played a bit with your excel-sheet and your equation and explored that your results in excel doesn&#039;t match with your posted equations. You never used something like ^t.&lt;br /&gt;
In excel you use something like&lt;br /&gt;
u(t)=u(t-1)*((1-u(t-1)/carring_capacity)*conv*i)+u(t-1)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Where is the mistake?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew!</p>
<p>I played a bit with your excel-sheet and your equation and explored that your results in excel doesn&#8217;t match with your posted equations. You never used something like ^t.<br />
In excel you use something like<br />
u(t)=u(t-1)*((1-u(t-1)/carring_capacity)*conv*i)+u(t-1)</p>
<p>Where is the mistake?</p>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/03/05/facebook-viral-marketing-when-and-why-do-apps-jump-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-343</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey, i just found out about this theory on Google I/O. I will defintlly look for more of syour developments. I have made a post about organic growth vs viral growth on my blog. Is acctualy in spanish, so you might find it interesting:)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lawebdejuan.com.ar/2008/07/crecimiento-viral-vs-crecimiento.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.lawebdejuan.com.ar/2008/07/crecimiento-viral-vs-crecimiento.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Awesome work!&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, i just found out about this theory on Google I/O. I will defintlly look for more of syour developments. I have made a post about organic growth vs viral growth on my blog. Is acctualy in spanish, so you might find it interesting:)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lawebdejuan.com.ar/2008/07/crecimiento-viral-vs-crecimiento.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lawebdejuan.com.ar/2008/07/crecimiento-viral-vs-crecimiento.html</a></p>
<p>Awesome work!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Jag - Facebook Marketer</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/03/05/facebook-viral-marketing-when-and-why-do-apps-jump-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-342</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Jag - Facebook Marketer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Definitely agree with you Andrew, retention is really important when developing a new Facebook app, or any app for that matter. Great math, great stats, and great post.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely agree with you Andrew, retention is really important when developing a new Facebook app, or any app for that matter. Great math, great stats, and great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua March</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/03/05/facebook-viral-marketing-when-and-why-do-apps-jump-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua March</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Andrew,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I did a talk a while back on your findings to the Facebook Developer Garage in London, which I help organise. After posting about my talk ended having an discussion with a reader over some inputs which create a saw-tooth in the results, you might find the conversation interesting - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.joshuamarch.co.uk/2008/04/jumping-shark.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.joshuamarch.co.uk/2008/04/jumping-shark.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Cheers,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Josh&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew,</p>
<p>I did a talk a while back on your findings to the Facebook Developer Garage in London, which I help organise. After posting about my talk ended having an discussion with a reader over some inputs which create a saw-tooth in the results, you might find the conversation interesting &#8211; <a href="http://www.joshuamarch.co.uk/2008/04/jumping-shark.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.joshuamarch.co.uk/2008/04/jumping-shark.html</a></p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Josh</p>
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