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5 ways to break past the San Francisco echo-chamber

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The Bay Area echo-chamber
It’s now been a year since I moved down from Seattle, and one of the most interesting experiences I’ve had has been experiencing the "tech echo-chamber" here. Driven by blogs, friends, co-workers, and all the other channels of information, it’s very easy to get excited about the next new thing rather than realize the eternal truth of technology:

Every new technology takes longer to permeate the world than you’d think

Whether it’s the iPhone, podcasting, Facebook apps, AJAX desktop, OpenSocial, data portability, microformats, or the other legions of buzzwords, there’s a LOT of information inefficiency between Silicon Valley and the rest of America.

How to break past the Silicon Valley echo-chamber
The question is, when everyone here talks about this stuff, how do you keep yourself from falling into the trap of building products for a niche tech audience? I honestly don’t have a great answer to this question, but here are a couple ideas:

1. Read some books about American demographics, and how you fit into the world
If you haven’t yet, I’d highly recommend that you read Bobos in Paradise, which is about you ;-) It talks a lot about a culture that values functional things, is into outdoor sports, and all that stuff. Furthermore, it ties this culture into its roots in the SAT score and new meritocracy that emerged in the last century. Absolutely a great read.

Other related books:

The idea here is to read about some of these groups, and realize how weird and skewed technology folks really are. In a country where the median HOUSEHOLD income is $48k,  the average SF engineer in his late 20s making $130k might want to read a little more about how the rest of the country is split up.

2. Spend a lot of time wandering around the top sites online
At my last company, Revenue Science, one of the most educational things we did was to buy the Alexa 100k list, hire a bunch of guys fresh out of college, and begin cold e-mailing and cold dialing them until we had talked to a good chunk of the top 10k US sites. It was a great experience because you figure out that there are HUGE sites out there, with 100s of millions of pageviews, run by 2- or 3-person teams out in the middle of nowhere, that are growing quite fast. In fact, when you have enough conversions, you’ll start to discount Techcrunch and other sources for breaking news about "successful" websites.

In fact, in late 2004, we happened on a site that no one in the blogosphere was talking about (I checked on Feedster and Technorati) yet was adding 40k users per day on a base of 15 million registered users. We had talked to a random company called Intermix that seemed to mostly deal in e-cards, toolbars, herbal supplements, and other internet-marketing programs. But in talking to their sales folks, we were told of a sister property that was exploding, but no one knew why. This site, of course, was called MySpace.com. 200 million users later, I still don’t think the property gets the respect that it deserves, just because it doesn’t cater to the tech community.

You can do a similar thing now by viewing the Quantcast list here. I would be shocked if you didn’t find a ton of sites in the top 500 or so that you’ve never heard of before.

Other sources of information like this are comScore, Nielsen, and other analytics sources, which can tell you specifically about what sites are the most common for women 35 or older, or teenagers, or other people outside of your demographic. Hugely useful. I’m also really interested in sorting large groups of sites by "longest time on site" or "high growth rate in the last month" because you always find interesting outliers there as well.

3. Visit unfamiliar retail stores, or even better, retail locations way out of your geography
Think about your average Wal-mart. It’s a well-oiled machine, stocked with products optimized to the ZIP code it was placed. Now go walk around one, and you’ll be surprised by what people are buying. Lots of outdoor equipment, or BB guns, or the book section is mostly self-help, diet/exercise, and cookbooks. Or look at the types of magazines that are stocked. Overall, the square footage of the Wal-mart will correlate with the $ per square foot in revenue that it generates, so find the places that seem to be huge (and uninteresting)

Another example of this is to go to teenage stores – when’s the last time you went to a Hot Topic? or a Pacsun? In these stores, you can learn a lot of random things about teen culture, what kinds of influences are being exerted, and so on. Hot Topic is a great one because you definitely see a lot of "video game culture" being shown, as well as a lot of Japanese and Asian stuff being imported, reinterpreted, and then sold to the American audience.

4. Talk to a lot of people different than you – pay them if necessary
I’ve learned a TON from talking to people who are much different than me – the best way to recruit them is off of a survey form with traffic driven in from Google or Craigslist. If you qualify them and make sure they are sufficiently different, you can learn a ton of information. Or maybe you have a friend or two out in Middle America? Recruit them and their friends if possible.

Ask them about their technology usage – what websites do they use, what technologies are they excited about, what their daily schedule is, etc. I’m sure you’ll be surprised by the answers.

Even better is if you can actually get a look at their computer! I’m sure you’d learn more about consumer technology working a week at Geek Squad at Best Buy than anywhere else. You’d see desktops clogged with icons, taskbars with hundreds of open IE windows, spyware everywhere, and everything else that a "typical" user is likely to do.

5. Visit the underbelly of the internet ;-)
And finally, make sure you visit the underbelly of the internet:

Websites/forums like these really epitomize the core of "Internet culture." A lot of different memes get started there, and it’s where you can make observations about how internet culture is changing. For example, it’s fascinating to note how sharing files has changed – it used to be mostly open FTP servers, then open directories (hosted in Apache), then Gnutella links, then BitTorrent, and now more often than not, it’s mostly upload sites like RapidShare or Megaupload.

Similarly, you can see the origins of such phenomenon as lolcatz or other fun themes. Just don’t stay there long, or else your IQ will slowly plummet ;-)

An open question… any tips?
I’m sure many folks out there have their own ways of staying above the frothiness. What are they? What do you do? Would appreciate the thoughts – feel free to e-mail or comment.

 

Written by Andrew Chen

December 21st, 2007 at 12:46 am

Posted in Uncategorized

  • I keep hearing that it's a San Francisco echo chamber, but when I recently visited London everyone was talking about Facebook (even people I met in the subway) and in Paris 80% of the LeWeb3 conference (which came from 40 countries) were on Twitter.


    There is an echo chamber, but it's one of tech passionate people around the world.


    You should watch http://www.twittervision.com for a while to see just how world-wide this echo chamber is.

  • Hi Andy, I am thinking about this a lot as well. I do have some plans. While another project has gotten in the way at the moment, I would like to make this one of my main community todo's this year.


    Tech blogger's are a kind of evangelist. But instead of 'preaching' to the converted (our readers) I want to take to the streets and organize a few sessions to show people how blogging, flickr, del.icio.us is. I have been testing this. Showing how easy it is to upload photos to flickr and then hit in the blog this button. We don't even think about it when we do it, but everyone I show is left gob smacked at the possibilities and how easy it is.


    Also moving your stuff online via Google Docs and del.icio.us is a weird and possibly scary concept for many people. And then there is video... We have alot to do. I certainly want to do it and I hope that more like me do as well.


    Your other point about salary differences is symbolic for the so many differences we have with 'John Doe'. Visit the in-laws :)

  • lux

    One more thing I'd add to your excellent list -- and apropos of this holiday season -- is to listen better to your non-technical family members and friends when they talk about the Internet and what they're doing with it. They're your own built-in focus group; you can take advantage of that fact if you choose to.

  • ChrisWexler

    Brilliant post -- I think the most undervalued quality in interactive is empathy. Understanding what people with a different perspective then your own (tech-savy, early adopter) is vital. Every GREAT tech idea has to scale to the average citizen. I wish I had books to recommend, but we also have to think beyond the U.S. -- its a global market now...

  • What a great post; I'm so glad that I came over when Scoble recommended you (his point about geeks worldwide echoing themselves is also well-taken.)


    Thanks for your insight, I'm now returning to my own icon-cluttered desktop.

  • as noted above:


    #6: go home & visit the family in West Virginia for the holidays.


    (we went to Tokyo this year, so we got a *different* dose of reality, but it always provides a wakeup call to go to either location)


    - dave


    ps - andrew: i really, really, really do believe that MySpace is good enough, smart enough, and gosh darnit, people like them ;)

  • You nailed what I learned most by moving out of the Bay for the Dotcom Bust. It's not why I left, but it was one of the major professional benefits. It's also why I travel so much.


    My own priority order for your gorgeous list is 5, 3, 2, 4, and 1.


    Get out of here for a week at a time and be elsewhere. Craigslist and VRBO can make it cheap. Dave Cancel and me will be in a mildly less nerdy place (Austin) the third week in Jan for this reason.

  • Nice post. I especially think "Talk to a lot of people different than you" as well as just generally keeping in touch with friends outside of the Bay Area, outside of technology and outside the U.S. helps give some great perspective as well.

  • great post andrew! I'd like to add one more: Watch TV. In particular, reality TV, or local, rural newscasts. And pay attention to the commercials.


    I'm in the suburbs of Chicago right now. Have you ever heard of Meijer's? scary.

  • i think every metro area has an echo chamber effect. here in milwaukee, we are often time challenged to pull together great events or information with people outside of our metro area; and when you finally do the legwork, local is a lot easier to pull together.


    we have now thrown 2 barcamps here, the first once was 120 people in size and the second one was 250 people in size. oddly enough, most of the people from the first one did not know the people from the second. the largest difference was how many people we were able to pull from neighboring cities and people from different states. in our second barcamp we spent a lot of time to try to break the echo chamber effect of most barcamps, and we invited plenty of people from out of state. we ended up with about 5-10% of the people attending, coming from more than 50 miles away. this really brought a lot of interesting perspectives to our event; and even though barcampUSA never happened, trying it really grew our connections to people outside of the city, it was a great experience and i would love to try again sometime soon, but right now we have a startup to start.


    With other tech organizations in milwuakee, southeast wisconsin, we have also tried to bring people in from out of state, but as those organizations try to bring in higher profile talent to talk at business luncheons or cocktail parties, we find it harder to connect outside of the city with someone that is willing to travel in to our midwest tech community.


    in a feat of half luck, and half perseverance we were able to bring in Guy K. for a great event that really started to change the conversations that we had out here in our own echo chamber. I only wish it was easier to get people from out of state talking here in milwaukee, we would love to have you. Andrew, you would be a blast to have out here, if you ever want to visit a great city just north of one of the worlds greatest cities, Chicago.


    Milwaukee is in many ways a lot like san jose is, we are 90 miles north of chicago, which is one of the worlds larges urban economies. chicago's economy is so large that it eclipses many countries. milwaukee being a bit out of the way has developed an insane tech niche in biotech, that eclipses launch events like the iPhone with stem cells and new bio imaging scanners.

  • Hey Andrew, if you want to break out from the Valley echo chamber you should give us a call. Our team is from London, Portland, Boston and Cardiff. We're coming to the valley next week.


    London based Badoo is growing like a weed right now: http://badoo.com. Like fotolog it has a pretty international audience and a very simple, well oiled proposition with a lot of familiar viral elements you spoke about.

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