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	<title>Comments on: Do you ever say, &#8220;MySpace is sooo ugly?&#8221; This blog&#8217;s for you&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: MySpace Applications</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2007/11/29/do-you-ever-say-myspace-is-sooo-ugly-this-blogs-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-2791</link>
		<dc:creator>MySpace Applications</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ove your site! Hope on over to check out my scrapbookish picture frames... I&#039;m a rookie scrapper, but I&#039;d like to know what you think! Nice info. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ove your site! Hope on over to check out my scrapbookish picture frames&#8230; I&#39;m a rookie scrapper, but I&#39;d like to know what you think! Nice info. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: MySpace Applications</title>
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		<dc:creator>MySpace Applications</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 05:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ove your site! Hope on over to check out my scrapbookish picture frames... I&#039;m a rookie scrapper, but I&#039;d like to know what you think! Nice info. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ove your site! Hope on over to check out my scrapbookish picture frames&#8230; I&#39;m a rookie scrapper, but I&#39;d like to know what you think! Nice info. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Chen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 03:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shana, are you between these two cultures? Would love to hear more, and how you perceive things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shana, are you between these two cultures? Would love to hear more, and how you perceive things.</p>
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		<title>By: Shana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 19:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hence it helps to be between these sorts of cultural divides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hence it helps to be between these sorts of cultural divides.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya hit it right on the (pin)head... I&#039;m in the middle of the country, Andrew, and alot of the women in my life do the scrapbook stuff. I was on MySpace for a short time last year (just got too busy elsewhere) and it was a great waste of time and fun too. Met some people that I still talk to, not type to, talk to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya hit it right on the (pin)head&#8230; I&#39;m in the middle of the country, Andrew, and alot of the women in my life do the scrapbook stuff. I was on MySpace for a short time last year (just got too busy elsewhere) and it was a great waste of time and fun too. Met some people that I still talk to, not type to, talk to.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the interesant article , this is for sure the blog for me :D keep it going</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the interesant article , this is for sure the blog for me <img src='http://andrewchenblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  keep it going</p>
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		<title>By: Be Still</title>
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		<dc:creator>Be Still</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Love your site!  Hope on over to check out my scrapbookish picture frames... I&#039;m a rookie scrapper, but I&#039;d like to know what you think!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love your site!  Hope on over to check out my scrapbookish picture frames&#8230; I&#8217;m a rookie scrapper, but I&#8217;d like to know what you think!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Armstrong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Armstrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;(Full disclosure - I work for MySpace)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Long before I worked for MySpace, I felt many of these things to be true.  Thanks for posting Andrew.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Full disclosure &#8211; I work for MySpace)</p>
<p>Long before I worked for MySpace, I felt many of these things to be true.  Thanks for posting Andrew.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 05:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great article! I must say I am a bit of a cliche. A university student who only has a Facebook account. I was just getting a bit peeved at my MySpace account constantly being phished, then bullet ins going out advertising things using my names. Admittedly, being an ex-webpage designer, some of the profiles were shocking. Most of my friends are on Facebook as well, so I have no reason to have a MySpace account.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The one thing I do miss is finding out about all the great new bands. As I start recording my own music, it seems a great opportunity to share your music with the world. Facebook has applications that can do this, but it is not nearly as direct. For this reason, I maybe making a new MySpace account in the near future.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Snobbery? Maybe. I interact with people from many demographics. However, most of my friends are from the same demographic as me because that is the area I was brought up in.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! I must say I am a bit of a cliche. A university student who only has a Facebook account. I was just getting a bit peeved at my MySpace account constantly being phished, then bullet ins going out advertising things using my names. Admittedly, being an ex-webpage designer, some of the profiles were shocking. Most of my friends are on Facebook as well, so I have no reason to have a MySpace account.</p>
<p>The one thing I do miss is finding out about all the great new bands. As I start recording my own music, it seems a great opportunity to share your music with the world. Facebook has applications that can do this, but it is not nearly as direct. For this reason, I maybe making a new MySpace account in the near future.</p>
<p>Snobbery? Maybe. I interact with people from many demographics. However, most of my friends are from the same demographic as me because that is the area I was brought up in.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think there are a few points to consider here:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1. MySpace has been around &amp; available much, much longer than Facebook. Of course it has 2.2x the users. To me, that&#039;s not exactly a meaningful stat. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2. MySpace is open. Facebook is not. Of course it has more &quot;unique visitors&quot;. Unique visitors does not equal logins or social activity. Try searching for a band or common person on Google - chances are you&#039;ll find a MySpace page within the first few results. Chances also are you&#039;ll stay on the page a while.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3. This is very important - The fact that facebook is, as you say, &quot;Googley&quot;, works against its stats. Just think about how much more page views facebook would have if it made you go to a new page every time you wanted to comment, update a basic status, upload &amp; comment on multiple photos, etc etc. On the whole, I&#039;m willing to bet that MySpace users require 2 or 3 page &quot;views&quot; for most actions that Facebook handles on the same page view via an AJAX update.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;4. Facebook has advertising models MySpace wish it could reproduce. Maybe MySpace does serve up more ads because of the extra page views (see #3) and extra ad space it garners. But does it have sponsored groups? Sponsored news feed listings? Targeted &amp; consistent data/demographics that is worth more to advertisers? No, it doesn&#039;t.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The list goes on and on... In the end, the point is this: Facebook has a quality product, a quality userbase, and completely unique advertising models. Whereas MySpace plays into the hands of outdated metric systems by using older technology &amp; more traditional advertising routes. Of course if you put Facebook up head-to-head against MySpace, using outdated measurement models, MySpace will win. It&#039;s like trying to measure the fuel economy of a hybrid car using a model that was intended for fuel-only cars. You get exaggerated &amp; falsified results in one direction or another.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are a few points to consider here:</p>
<p>1. MySpace has been around &#038; available much, much longer than Facebook. Of course it has 2.2x the users. To me, that&#8217;s not exactly a meaningful stat. </p>
<p>2. MySpace is open. Facebook is not. Of course it has more &#8220;unique visitors&#8221;. Unique visitors does not equal logins or social activity. Try searching for a band or common person on Google &#8211; chances are you&#8217;ll find a MySpace page within the first few results. Chances also are you&#8217;ll stay on the page a while.</p>
<p>3. This is very important &#8211; The fact that facebook is, as you say, &#8220;Googley&#8221;, works against its stats. Just think about how much more page views facebook would have if it made you go to a new page every time you wanted to comment, update a basic status, upload &#038; comment on multiple photos, etc etc. On the whole, I&#8217;m willing to bet that MySpace users require 2 or 3 page &#8220;views&#8221; for most actions that Facebook handles on the same page view via an AJAX update.</p>
<p>4. Facebook has advertising models MySpace wish it could reproduce. Maybe MySpace does serve up more ads because of the extra page views (see #3) and extra ad space it garners. But does it have sponsored groups? Sponsored news feed listings? Targeted &#038; consistent data/demographics that is worth more to advertisers? No, it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The list goes on and on&#8230; In the end, the point is this: Facebook has a quality product, a quality userbase, and completely unique advertising models. Whereas MySpace plays into the hands of outdated metric systems by using older technology &#038; more traditional advertising routes. Of course if you put Facebook up head-to-head against MySpace, using outdated measurement models, MySpace will win. It&#8217;s like trying to measure the fuel economy of a hybrid car using a model that was intended for fuel-only cars. You get exaggerated &#038; falsified results in one direction or another.</p>
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		<title>By: Weissman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weissman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great analysis AC.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Additionally, from a business perspective, all the attention on Facebook is the best thing to happen to MySpace.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great analysis AC.</p>
<p>Additionally, from a business perspective, all the attention on Facebook is the best thing to happen to MySpace.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Facebook is simple and clean, and in an attempt to be more serious and functional they have taken on the &quot;aesthetics of work&quot;.  It&#039;s quasi-professional and appeals primarily to the quasi-professional.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As a professional designer, I also have to say that I have seen really graphics-forward myspace pages, facebook is just better out of the box.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oh, and its the music! Myspace has all the bands,  why do you think I have myspace open right now on a tab I can&#039;t see, I&#039;m not updating my profile, I&#039;m just listening.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facebook is simple and clean, and in an attempt to be more serious and functional they have taken on the &#8220;aesthetics of work&#8221;.  It&#8217;s quasi-professional and appeals primarily to the quasi-professional.</p>
<p>As a professional designer, I also have to say that I have seen really graphics-forward myspace pages, facebook is just better out of the box.</p>
<p>Oh, and its the music! Myspace has all the bands,  why do you think I have myspace open right now on a tab I can&#8217;t see, I&#8217;m not updating my profile, I&#8217;m just listening.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremy liew</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy liew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think you&#039;re talking about a distinction between the time rich and the time poor. You, me and many readers are time poor and sometimes we forget what it was like to be time rich. More at the Lightspeed blog where i talked about this a little while ago:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://lsvp.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/time-rich-or-time-poor/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://lsvp.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/time-rich-or-time-poor/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re talking about a distinction between the time rich and the time poor. You, me and many readers are time poor and sometimes we forget what it was like to be time rich. More at the Lightspeed blog where i talked about this a little while ago:</p>
<p><a href="http://lsvp.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/time-rich-or-time-poor/" rel="nofollow">http://lsvp.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/time-rich-or-time-poor/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nabeel Hyatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nabeel Hyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Mark - There is absolutely a&quot;bored at work&quot; crowd.  Just to be a devil&#039;s advocate though Andrew, you could take a look at some of the sociological research on entertainment that claims that it is indeed a utility to people. I had some of that around here somewhere...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Right on about the &quot;creator-centric versus viewer-centric&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark &#8211; There is absolutely a&#8221;bored at work&#8221; crowd.  Just to be a devil&#8217;s advocate though Andrew, you could take a look at some of the sociological research on entertainment that claims that it is indeed a utility to people. I had some of that around here somewhere&#8230;</p>
<p>Right on about the &#8220;creator-centric versus viewer-centric&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Maroon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Maroon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve been harping on this forever on my blog and news.yc. I see Facebook vs. MySpace as a symbol of the overall population.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been harping on this forever on my blog and news.yc. I see Facebook vs. MySpace as a symbol of the overall population.</p>
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