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		<title>By: Douglas Richardson</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2006/11/30/why-bittorrent-inc-is-no-sure-bet/comment-page-1/#comment-852</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 18:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Since I don&#039;t have the faculties to use your software; how can I get back the amount of money that I paid for this software?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I don&#8217;t have the faculties to use your software; how can I get back the amount of money that I paid for this software?</p>
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		<title>By: None</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2006/11/30/why-bittorrent-inc-is-no-sure-bet/comment-page-1/#comment-851</link>
		<dc:creator>None</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 01:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, from what I hear, it&#039;s going to be built into routers and devices, so files will download quickly, sort of like using RIP to get to the destination faster.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, from what I hear, it&#8217;s going to be built into routers and devices, so files will download quickly, sort of like using RIP to get to the destination faster.</p>
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		<title>By: nordsieck</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2006/11/30/why-bittorrent-inc-is-no-sure-bet/comment-page-1/#comment-850</link>
		<dc:creator>nordsieck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 09:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You are wrong about the bandwidth thing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sure, it is possible for someone like Youtube to exist at all nowadays, which is amazing (well, exist in that their site is still there, even though they were bought).  That doesn&#039;t mean that it isn&#039;t insanely expensive to run, however.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Using some sort of peer-to-peer distribution mechanism should be able to decrease the cost to distribute by an order of magnitude - a not insignificant sum.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The thing is, this will only work _BETTER_ the cheaper bandwidth gets.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problem right now is that most peoples&#039; connections are too anemic to mean much, even when banded together.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If network speeds everywhere increased by 10x, peer-to-peer would be in much better shape to compete with centralized distribution.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are wrong about the bandwidth thing.</p>
<p>Sure, it is possible for someone like Youtube to exist at all nowadays, which is amazing (well, exist in that their site is still there, even though they were bought).  That doesn&#8217;t mean that it isn&#8217;t insanely expensive to run, however.</p>
<p>Using some sort of peer-to-peer distribution mechanism should be able to decrease the cost to distribute by an order of magnitude &#8211; a not insignificant sum.</p>
<p>The thing is, this will only work _BETTER_ the cheaper bandwidth gets.</p>
<p>The problem right now is that most peoples&#8217; connections are too anemic to mean much, even when banded together.</p>
<p>If network speeds everywhere increased by 10x, peer-to-peer would be in much better shape to compete with centralized distribution.</p>
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		<title>By: theQview</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2006/11/30/why-bittorrent-inc-is-no-sure-bet/comment-page-1/#comment-855</link>
		<dc:creator>theQview</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 11:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Torrents That Sprint (Part 2)&lt;/strong&gt;

Hollywood continues to love BitTorrent. Or do they? Last year, I questioned the wisdom of Hollywood&#039;s embrace of BitTorrent in the face of the growing threat of anonymous BitTorrent clients. On the heels of this week&#039;s big press release, it
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Torrents That Sprint (Part 2)</strong></p>
<p>Hollywood continues to love BitTorrent. Or do they? Last year, I questioned the wisdom of Hollywood&#8217;s embrace of BitTorrent in the face of the growing threat of anonymous BitTorrent clients. On the heels of this week&#8217;s big press release, it</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Chen</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2006/11/30/why-bittorrent-inc-is-no-sure-bet/comment-page-1/#comment-849</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Re: Janko&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think products like Democracy Player are definitely a step in the right direction, but they only solve part of the problem.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ideally, people still want instant gratification - both on lower-quality video previews as well as not needing to download a client. And for content producers, you still run into the same incentive issues I wrote about.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And finally, the question is, what kind of content ends up on these media networks? If you have long-tail content without the hit stuff, does that still work? I think all that YouTube and P2P networks have proven is that piracy of hits drives a lot of traffic :) &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Janko</p>
<p>I think products like Democracy Player are definitely a step in the right direction, but they only solve part of the problem.</p>
<p>Ideally, people still want instant gratification &#8211; both on lower-quality video previews as well as not needing to download a client. And for content producers, you still run into the same incentive issues I wrote about.</p>
<p>And finally, the question is, what kind of content ends up on these media networks? If you have long-tail content without the hit stuff, does that still work? I think all that YouTube and P2P networks have proven is that piracy of hits drives a lot of traffic <img src='http://andrewchenblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
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		<title>By: Janko</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2006/11/30/why-bittorrent-inc-is-no-sure-bet/comment-page-1/#comment-848</link>
		<dc:creator>Janko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 07:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Andrew, interesting read. Just out of curiosity: What are your thoughts about something like the Democracy Player in this context?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It seems like this is answering many of your questions - they are offering a destination, integrating Bittorrent into another tool, even making VLC usable for the mainstream ...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, interesting read. Just out of curiosity: What are your thoughts about something like the Democracy Player in this context?</p>
<p>It seems like this is answering many of your questions &#8211; they are offering a destination, integrating Bittorrent into another tool, even making VLC usable for the mainstream &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Clicked</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clicked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Faking, cheating and rule breaking&lt;/strong&gt;

FakeYourSpace will help you look more popular on MySpace with fake hot friends. You actually subscribe...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Faking, cheating and rule breaking</strong></p>
<p>FakeYourSpace will help you look more popular on MySpace with fake hot friends. You actually subscribe&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitry Shapiro</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2006/11/30/why-bittorrent-inc-is-no-sure-bet/comment-page-1/#comment-847</link>
		<dc:creator>Dmitry Shapiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For full disclosure, I am the CEO of Veoh Networks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Veoh is solving the problem of Bit Torrent complexity and abstraction of the transport from Internet Television consumption.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Veoh has a proprietary P2P network, similar to Bit Torrent, but better at penetrating firewalls and centrally controlled.  We abstract all of this with a TiVo-like (including remote controlled) client application that downloads high bitrate video files that are published to the Veoh Network, automatically maintains disk cleanup (deleting watched videos unless you have chose to save them), and manages your bandwidth as not to eat up your Internet connection when you are using your computer for other networked activities.  Publishing is as simple as YouTube... just upload a file, give it some metadata, and you&#039;re done.  We take care of transcoding to all major formats (including iPod compatible), and offer the file in a Flash progressive download off our web site (or yours) (just like YouTube but with no length restrictions), and offer the original file for automatic download.  There are RSS feeds, intelligent recommendations to help you find things you may like, a social network, etc.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We are about to launch our monetization capabilities allowing broadcasters to charge for their content or share in ad revenues on free content, and a slew of other features that make it easier than ever to publish Internet Television rather than Web Video.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dmitry&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For full disclosure, I am the CEO of Veoh Networks.</p>
<p>Veoh is solving the problem of Bit Torrent complexity and abstraction of the transport from Internet Television consumption.</p>
<p>Veoh has a proprietary P2P network, similar to Bit Torrent, but better at penetrating firewalls and centrally controlled.  We abstract all of this with a TiVo-like (including remote controlled) client application that downloads high bitrate video files that are published to the Veoh Network, automatically maintains disk cleanup (deleting watched videos unless you have chose to save them), and manages your bandwidth as not to eat up your Internet connection when you are using your computer for other networked activities.  Publishing is as simple as YouTube&#8230; just upload a file, give it some metadata, and you&#8217;re done.  We take care of transcoding to all major formats (including iPod compatible), and offer the file in a Flash progressive download off our web site (or yours) (just like YouTube but with no length restrictions), and offer the original file for automatic download.  There are RSS feeds, intelligent recommendations to help you find things you may like, a social network, etc.</p>
<p>We are about to launch our monetization capabilities allowing broadcasters to charge for their content or share in ad revenues on free content, and a slew of other features that make it easier than ever to publish Internet Television rather than Web Video.</p>
<p>Dmitry</p>
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		<title>By: Vivek Puri</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2006/11/30/why-bittorrent-inc-is-no-sure-bet/comment-page-1/#comment-846</link>
		<dc:creator>Vivek Puri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;...managing the projects, timelines, and media.....&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You should try out mediasilo.com for managing and sharing production videos and media files in a team environment. Site is in private beta right now.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;-Vivek&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;managing the projects, timelines, and media&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
<p>You should try out mediasilo.com for managing and sharing production videos and media files in a team environment. Site is in private beta right now.</p>
<p>-Vivek</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Chen</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2006/11/30/why-bittorrent-inc-is-no-sure-bet/comment-page-1/#comment-845</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RE: Carl&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re right that you can avoid these problems by:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;- Bundling BitTorrent into existing software, like a browser or an OS&lt;br /&gt;
- Integrate VLC with codec updates&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;... but even then, you have problems with instant gratification and all the issues regarding studios versus long tail folks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Obviously we were trying to do a browser toolbar integration, but in reality, to make this a snap, someone who owns an underlying platform like Apple or Microsoft has to push BitTorrent technology, and we all know it won&#039;t be MSFT :) &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Plus, would you really hang your startup on having a huge company do something that you couldn&#039;t control?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Carl</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that you can avoid these problems by:</p>
<p>- Bundling BitTorrent into existing software, like a browser or an OS<br />
- Integrate VLC with codec updates</p>
<p>&#8230; but even then, you have problems with instant gratification and all the issues regarding studios versus long tail folks.</p>
<p>Obviously we were trying to do a browser toolbar integration, but in reality, to make this a snap, someone who owns an underlying platform like Apple or Microsoft has to push BitTorrent technology, and we all know it won&#8217;t be MSFT <img src='http://andrewchenblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Plus, would you really hang your startup on having a huge company do something that you couldn&#8217;t control?</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Howe</title>
		<link>http://andrewchenblog.com/2006/11/30/why-bittorrent-inc-is-no-sure-bet/comment-page-1/#comment-844</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Howe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great article. I too love BitTorrent as a return to the Internet&#039;s original peer-to-peer roots. But you hit on one of the solutions to the problem in your analysis of it: package a peer-to-peer capability in software  you already have. And that&#039;s exactly what I believe Apple is up to. You can read more here:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blackfriarsinc.com/blog/2006/05/apples-torrent-technology-could-dodge.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.blackfriarsinc.com/blog/2006/05/apples-torrent-technology-could-dodge.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Carl&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. I too love BitTorrent as a return to the Internet&#8217;s original peer-to-peer roots. But you hit on one of the solutions to the problem in your analysis of it: package a peer-to-peer capability in software  you already have. And that&#8217;s exactly what I believe Apple is up to. You can read more here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.blackfriarsinc.com/blog/2006/05/apples-torrent-technology-could-dodge.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.blackfriarsinc.com/blog/2006/05/apples-torrent-technology-could-dodge.html</a></p>
<p>Carl</p>
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		<title>By: alan patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great article, I post-scripted it to one I wrote yesterday on PC based TV over on broadstuff  here:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://broadstuff.com/categories/2-MyPCTV&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://broadstuff.com/categories/2-MyPCTV&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;By the way, are you aware of TIOTI and what it is trying to do with BitTorrent?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, I post-scripted it to one I wrote yesterday on PC based TV over on broadstuff  here:</p>
<p><a href="http://broadstuff.com/categories/2-MyPCTV" rel="nofollow">http://broadstuff.com/categories/2-MyPCTV</a></p>
<p>By the way, are you aware of TIOTI and what it is trying to do with BitTorrent?</p>
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		<title>By: broadstuff</title>
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		<dc:creator>broadstuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Move over GooTube?&lt;/strong&gt;

Things are getting interesting in the Xmas runup....

Google paid $1.65bn for YouTube, but a report today in Forbes says that a new challenger to YouTube is already growing up in Paris. Called DailyMotion, it is apparently the new location du jour for a
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<p>Things are getting interesting in the Xmas runup&#8230;.</p>
<p>Google paid $1.65bn for YouTube, but a report today in Forbes says that a new challenger to YouTube is already growing up in Paris. Called DailyMotion, it is apparently the new location du jour for a</p>
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